24 Jun 06, 5:18 PM
Ms_Tytania
6 yrs |
Manniq wrote:
Ms_Tytania wrote:
Manniq wrote:
TheMarquise wrote:
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A columnist is not a journalist, that is a surprise to me. If you write professionally for a magazine you are a journalist. You may not do it all the time but its a simple matter of definition.
Besides which this is slightly off my point which is that I would expected more from someone in a working environment. Even if Time Out reply that these are her own views and not representative of the magazine. I still think she could have made that clearer.
I don't see any danger of us falling out over this. I think you overestimate the importance I would attach to your comments.
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Fair enough. I only intended to say that as so many foolish squabbles seem to start for less, I wasn't trying to have a go, or any such.
The reason I describe Sarah Kent as a big beast - and perhaps my reason for making the distinction - is that of power relationship.
She is an established artist, writer, etc. and if TO got fed up with her tomorrow, her name would guarantee her employment somewhere else.
That is quite different from some humble scribe who, if sacked by the Murdoch group, might find it difficult to find employment elsewhere for a while.
Some individuals (Richard Littlejohn, for one: maybe Brian Sewell) are employed on the basis of their obnoxiousness.
Regards,
M
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Just a short note to add that Sarah Kent is a very well regarded art critic and art writer in Artyfartyland ( a world I have close ties with because of my education and my background). I find her response not at all surprising. Most art critics and curators are the driest people I know. Dry, anorgasmic people with power and not one single idea thathey can claim as their own. Total intelectual and aesthetic vampires. They live only through other people's experiences, as seen on their art or writings of more daring individuals. Sarah Kent's response, which sounds like a gut response, is typical: they only approve of what has been approved of by someone else before, someone they consider "superior". The art world is derivative and very hierarchical. They run galleries, museums and art colleges. Oh, do I know them (for my sins!). Funny enough, that woman has seen my performative work -and I only tie up men! 
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You ARE Brian Sewell in drag...and I claim my fiver! 
Regards,
M
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Jesus, Brian Sewell, nooooo! He's even worse, if that's humanly possible (or perhaps just as bad as SK, but for different reasons)
I demand you buy me a drink with that fiver, as an apology  “To want sex with another (...) is not exactly a credential for political radicalism.”
(Leo Bersani)
Edited 24 Jun 06, 5:20 PM by Ms_Tytania
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24 Jun 06, 6:20 PM
Tovarich
UK, 6 yrs
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Ms_Tytania wrote:
Manniq wrote:
TheMarquise wrote:
<snip>
A columnist is not a journalist, that is a surprise to me. If you write professionally for a magazine you are a journalist. You may not do it all the time but its a simple matter of definition.
Besides which this is slightly off my point which is that I would expected more from someone in a working environment. Even if Time Out reply that these are her own views and not representative of the magazine. I still think she could have made that clearer.
I don't see any danger of us falling out over this. I think you overestimate the importance I would attach to your comments.
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Fair enough. I only intended to say that as so many foolish squabbles seem to start for less, I wasn't trying to have a go, or any such.
The reason I describe Sarah Kent as a big beast - and perhaps my reason for making the distinction - is that of power relationship.
She is an established artist, writer, etc. and if TO got fed up with her tomorrow, her name would guarantee her employment somewhere else.
That is quite different from some humble scribe who, if sacked by the Murdoch group, might find it difficult to find employment elsewhere for a while.
Some individuals (Richard Littlejohn, for one: maybe Brian Sewell) are employed on the basis of their obnoxiousness.
Regards,
M
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Just a short note to add that Sarah Kent is a very well regarded art critic and art writer in Artyfartyland ( a world I have close ties with because of my education and my background). I find her response not at all surprising. Most art critics and curators are the driest people I know. Dry, anorgasmic people with power and not one single idea thathey can claim as their own. Total intelectual and aesthetic vampires. They live only through other people's experiences, as seen on their art or writings of more daring individuals. Sarah Kent's response, which sounds like a gut response, is typical: they only approve of what has been approved of by someone else before, someone they consider "superior". The art world is derivative and very hierarchical. They run galleries, museums and art colleges. Oh, do I know them (for my sins!). Funny enough, that woman has seen my performative work -and I only tie up men!
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Is there a named fetish for being made to feel thick? If so, I wish I had it, because there's times reading the three above just leaves me feeling sooooo stoopid it beggars belief 
(Not knocking any of you brainiacs there, btw ) He's just a ball of attitude and opinion........
Edited 24 Jun 06, 6:21 PM by Tovarich
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24 Jun 06, 6:45 PM
RachelP
5 yrs |
I think that the respondent to the OP's letter just made a prize prat of herself; everything from her factual incorrectness to her closed mind speaks volumes about her suitability for a career in journalism. Edited 24 Jun 06, 6:46 PM by RachelP
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24 Jun 06, 6:46 PM
LadyRed
UK, 9 yrs
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We wish
RachelP wrote:
I think that the respondent to the OP's letter just made a prize prat of herself; everything from her factually incorrectness to her closed mind speaks volumes about her suitability for a career in journalism.
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http://www.sensualtorments.com/
"Standing up and being counted is the 1st step in the right direction" by Red.
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24 Jun 06, 7:08 PM
hollysub30
8 yrs |
as someone who works in the media myself, I cannot believe Kent's stupidity at writing such an ignorant and dismissive response to what I thought was a fascinating and definitely un-bdsm email concerning Esinem's project.
Brilliant event for Time Out to cover, and Kent's ignorant broadside should most definitely be highlighted to others who would enjoy pulling her down a large peg or two.
Media Monkey in the Guardian definitely worth starting with - I was going to suggest PopBitch but doubt they'll get it (although you never know - I'm one of their readers, and I would!).
Essentially, this is about a so-called cultural gatekeeper unashamedly abusing her position and feeling within her rights to mock and be blissfully critical of something she so clearly hadn't read properly. To write in the position of Time Out Arts editor (it came from her Time Out email account), and to say such ludicrously innane things in response to Esinem's well-thought out 'press release' speaks volumes of Kent's arrogance and ego.
Bring her down now, I say. She probably would have no idea what kind of robust reaction her seemingly innocious email has caused.
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24 Jun 06, 9:53 PM
doulos
UK(SW), 6 yrs
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Whoever said that journalism was a profession, anyway?
While I have no doubt that there are some decent journalists, all examples of journalism in the mainstream media I have ever actually examined have turned out to be rife with errors and bias. If we were to define professional journalism as the communication of moderately factual information (which admittedly most dictionaries don't), then just from general experience, professionals would seem to be in the minority. In fact, my personal experience is that the amateur "bloggers" of this world often seem to take facts more seriously and are usually good enough to acknowledge their bias explicitly.
Manniq wrote:
TheMarquise wrote:
<snip>
A columnist is not a journalist, that is a surprise to me. If you write professionally for a magazine you are a journalist. You may not do it all the time but its a simple matter of definition.
Besides which this is slightly off my point which is that I would expected more from someone in a working environment. Even if Time Out reply that these are her own views and not representative of the magazine. I still think she could have made that clearer.
I don't see any danger of us falling out over this. I think you overestimate the importance I would attach to your comments.
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Fair enough. I only intended to say that as so many foolish squabbles seem to start for less, I wasn't trying to have a go, or any such.
The reason I describe Sarah Kent as a big beast - and perhaps my reason for making the distinction - is that of power relationship.
She is an established artist, writer, etc. and if TO got fed up with her tomorrow, her name would guarantee her employment somewhere else.
That is quite different from some humble scribe who, if sacked by the Murdoch group, might find it difficult to find employment elsewhere for a while.
Some individuals (Richard Littlejohn, for one: maybe Brian Sewell) are employed on the basis of their obnoxiousness.
Regards,
M
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SPANK those who say BDSM is KINKY!
Edited 24 Jun 06, 9:54 PM by doulos
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25 Jun 06, 12:15 AM
PVCcat
UK(SE), 8 yrs
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If all people who work in journalism hold the same views as you suggest...Then if you use the same hypotethes that allowed you to reach this rather interesting view, you'll see that this must also mean that all people who work for the council eat mint chocolate and vote labour, all BDSMers are open minded <snorts>....and all traffic wardens prefer pink knickers ....Shall I go on... I could you know...for a very long time. But the kettle's just boiled, and I'm looking at Skin Two.
xxxPVC
RachelP wrote:
I think that the respondent to the OP's letter just made a prize prat of herself; everything from her factual incorrectness to her closed mind speaks volumes about her suitability for a career in journalism.
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www.alexcobra.co.uk
Edited 25 Jun 06, 12:17 AM by PVCcat
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25 Jun 06, 12:54 AM
VoltaireFlambee
UK, 7 yrs
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strictlynormal wrote:
Ariane wrote:
Easy solution really, get a good male sub wrapped up and offer him for copy.
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Sadly I think that would merely pander to her blatant sexism
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I'll do it!!
Get out of that without moving, sunshine...
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25 Jun 06, 9:16 AM
verte
UK(E), 8 yrs
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I have a friend who works for Time Out and have emailed him this link. He was horrified, but as a humble under-journo says he can't do much about it. la fée verte
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