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Time Out: Bondage is repulsive! (75)

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23 Jun 06, 8:40 PM
demolitionred
6 yrs

JudyInDsGuise wrote:

demolition_red wrote:
David Pepper is the managing director. I'm not sure how it works at time Out but he may have nothing to do with editorial content. There is a web editor listed. Also not relevant.

I'll probably just call the switchboard on Monday.

Gordon Thompson is the editor, and here are the contact details.

judy

love you.

23 Jun 06, 8:43 PM
helena_helena
UK, 6 yrs

demolition_red wrote:
should we write to the editor and complain?

I think you should!

~ It's not what you do, it's the way that you do it ~

23 Jun 06, 8:52 PM
demolitionred
6 yrs

helena_helena wrote:

demolition_red wrote:
should we write to the editor and complain?

I think you should!

oh. I was thinking we all should. or anyone of us that can afford to.

23 Jun 06, 8:55 PM
ClassAct2005
UK(N), 7 yrs

There's certainly a view that even posing with consent female (and male) pornographic models for example are exploited and that isn't a good thing. I'm not saying that's my view but she wouldn't be alone in holding it but if they would not reject material or ads for events which show men in bondage that might be cause for complaint. If they object to bondage per se then I doubt there's much can be done about it.

I always wonder whether it's better to give anodyne or interesting replies. I have the same issue when I write to some men - do you say pleaseure to look at your details but no thanks or give a real reason. Generally least said soonest mended.

23 Jun 06, 9:47 PM
DancesWithPussycats
UK(TW), 7 yrs

Time Out has been hypocritical about BDSM for years. They are quite happy to run features on it to sell mags.

23 Jun 06, 10:09 PM
doulos
UK(SW), 6 yrs

Hypocrisy is neither illegal or anything less than common place. I suppose a few hundred people announcing that they would no longer buy TimeOut might move an editor with his eye on circulation though, I don't know.

SPANK those who say BDSM is KINKY!

23 Jun 06, 10:11 PM
helena_helena
UK, 6 yrs

TheMarquise wrote:

demolition_red wrote:

helena_helena wrote:

demolition_red wrote:
should we write to the editor and complain?

I think you should!

oh. I was thinking we all should. or anyone of us that can afford to.

I would be happy to; I think the response was appalling.

I would be happy to sign my name to the letter

~ It's not what you do, it's the way that you do it ~

23 Jun 06, 10:12 PM
demolitionred
6 yrs

TheMarquise wrote:

I would be happy to; I think the response was appalling.

Me too.

bigoted? fine. To be expected, to some extent. But what got me was the cultural ignorance and unprofessional tone.

23 Jun 06, 10:26 PM
ropepupska
UK, 5 yrs

Esinem wrote:
After recently emailing the Arts Editors at Time Out to see if they would cover any attempts to move Shibari into the arena of performance art, I received the most incredibly bigoted reply. I would have expected better from Time Out. Judge for yourselves from our exchange: ------------------------------------------------- Hi

We are hoping to put on unique live 'showcase' performance art events featuring Shibari/Kinbaku. Shibari/Kinbaku is Japanese rope art and features beautiful bindings and balletic suspensions. It has its roots in the ancient and secretive martial art of the Hojojutsu, which dates from the Edo period of the 1600's. Rope has a special place in Japanese culture as a primary tool, whilst binding and the control of nature are also very fundamental to their culture (Bonsai, Kimono bindings etc.).

In recent decades, it has been performed for select audiences, in Japan, on a scene that is only just beginning to emerge from the underground into contemporary performance art. Go Arisue, one of the world's top nawashi (rope artists), is one of the leading figures in this mission to forge a place for his art is this area. We also hope to put on perfomances by Go, who has never publically performed outside Japan. I was priveleged to host his only private performance abroad.

Quite recently, Sam Taylor-Wood exhibited a series of photographs (http://www.matthewmarks.com/index.php?n=2&c=8&e=... models suspended using Shibari techniques, but with the ropes Photoshopped out. Kate Moss has also featured in Vogue, I think it was, bound Shibari-style. In July, I and another rope artist, will involved in a performance with James O'Shea (the amputee dancer with CanDoCo) and another model to music from Uniform at the Notting Hill Arts Club.

The picture below (2 tasteful pics from my Japanese themed shoot with kimono'ed model were attached) shows the sort of performance we would like to put on. Do you think this is something that you might like to run a piece on? Would you be able to, at least, put in a listing for us for the Notting Hill Arts gig or our proposed showcase performance?

I look forward to your response. Please call me if you have any questions.

Bruce Argue

-----Original Message----- From: Sarah Kent [mailto:sarahkent@timeout.com] Sent: 06 June 2006 13:02 To: Esinem Subject: Re: Unique performance art event

Funny how its naked women that always get tied up. How does this relate to foot binding I wonder and to the enslavement of women in Japan in the past. I find it repulsive. Yours, Sarah Kent

MY REPLY: I find your reaction extraordinary and misinformed. No, not it's always women and...erh, she's wearing a kimono, not naked. For example, this picture is one of a series Ulli Richter shot with a male dancer. (I attached a picture of bound male feet) I think you misunderstand as it has nothing to do with enslavement. On the contrary, it is very much a two-way exchange. I would be happy to provide you with information upon which to make an informed judgement. Furthermore, it doesn't relate to the repulsive practice of foot-binding in any way, as this was a Chinese practice (qv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_binding).

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It beggars belief! This is what we are up against.

My response, should make her widdle her pants!

Recently I have been advised of your comments with regards to a suggested feature. As a gay male who is involved in the art of shibari i find your comments not only personally offensive but also homophobic and sexist bordering on unlawful discrimination. Nudity is not a required feature nor is heterosexuality or the need to be a woman. Please advise me of the proceedure on making an official complaint.

As a lawyer myself i would not expect anybody in your profession to make such ill advised and dissapointing statements.

23 Jun 06, 10:28 PM
strictlynormal
UK, 6 yrs

TheMarquise wrote:

The historical and cultural ignorance she displayed was astonishing. The journalists I know check their facts and have enquiring minds.

Ahhh, but this is Time Out we're talking about.

I have seen a team of TO journos at VERY close hand and they simply don't have time or interest in checking facts. Prejudice rules

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