Cattle Prods (43)

I think you will find possesiion of a tazer is illegal in hte UK

TC^^

Scene but never herd

Great shame for this well proclaimed electro-slut I must admit!

Agree Tens is nice, but I would love to try something a little more tasty!

happy volunteer for mind control and robotisation experiments

OK if I have to do details, so be it.

Did I mention killing anyone in my post? No I didn't. My post was aimed at someone novice enough not to know how to get hold of things like this. I stand by my contention that they are capable of causing serious harm.

TAZER: A real tazer is the gun type device that fires two metal darts at the subject, trailing thin wires. A high voltage current limited signal is sent down the wires, incapacitating the person hit. These are the devices carried by police in the US, and more recently in the UK. The UK issue has a 'dazzler' strobe light built in as a sort of 'final warning'. Originally promoted as a non lethal device to take down 'drug crazed' felons who might otherwise have to be shot. They have varied effectiveness depending upon the subject. The only cases of death have been where someone with a pre-existing heart complaint had been hit.

In UK posession is a firearms offense. Serious.

I do not believe AberdeenAV8R has used one of these on a sub - firstly they are not too easy to get and are awkward to reload. I don't think the darts give very nice injury either, the best ones catch in clothes, but most would easily penetrate bare skin. They are barbed too.

STUN GUN: The handset with two metal probes. Usually has a spark gap at the front, which is spanned by a crackling arc when the device is activated. They vary from stingy to incredibly painful. I think this is the device AV8R is referring to using. He and I are in agreement about trying it on yourself first. One I tried was uncomfortable but I could still carry on a conversation and move my arm. Another left my arm numb for about 20 minutes. They aren't that good for their intended purpose, beacuse, despite all the hype, you have to hold the points against the subject for a few seconds - and I don't think they are simply going to stand still and let you do that. For scenes, provided you've tested out properly, yes they could be used.

In UK, same as a Tazer - firearms offense. Not good.

Can be bought easily on the continent, though taking one in your hand luggage onto an aeroplane would land you in jail. Biggest problem is their variability, they can't be adjusted either.

ANIMAL GOADS ('prods'):These come in two basic types. One is the big brother of the infamous electric fly swatter. Charge a capacitor up to a high voltage and discharge it through the subject. A 'zap', like the swatter only a lot stronger. The flash you see when swatting skin with one is oil off the skin and dry skin burning. The swatter can leave minor burns. The prods can do more so.

The second type use a buzzer ssytem to drive a coil like a smaller car ignition coil. They are typically activted by a button, or pressure on the probe tips. I've got an old one here that a pro-domme passed on to me after a sub brought it in. His reaction on its first use made her think again (and him). I put the probes against the painted metal edge of my workbench, and it burnt the paint off, and scarred the metal beneath. It only uses 2 'D' type batteries. Some of the bigger 'cattle prods', use four.....

Again they come in a range of types, from useable to very dangerous. There are several possible problems.

If they are used where the skin is tight over bone, the can result in the very nasty 'bone burn' known to beauticians doing 'Galvanic Therapy', (also known by the terms 'Cathodermie', and 'Anodermie' depending upon how the system and its associated chemicals are set up. This uses a direct current to 'push' skin care products by electrophoresis. It has to be done by trained professionals). They can also set up current paths in subcutaneous fat, boiling it, and leaving a small surface burn with a horrible necrotic patch underneath. This is similar to the burns that electricians can get, and similar, but not quite as bad as the type from radio transmitters and the like.

Another problem is that some of the devices can tetanise muscles, causing involuntary activation. A gay man I know was hurt by a prod being applied to his calf - it just happened to hit the right spot to make his calf muscle contract violently, tearing ligaments. He swore that he'd kicked himself in the small of the back. Some stun guns can cause loss of some muscle control, leading subjects to lose control of bladder or bowel, though this may simply be a shock/pain reaction.

Remember that these are meant to be used on the type of animals that have skins used to make leather, like pigs and cattle. It takes a lot more current to make an impression, and they are better insulated because of the tougher layers.

My main objection to all these devices is the fact that they are unajustable, and cannot be reset for different people with widely differing responses. AV8R's suggestion of using a TENS or similar is a far better idea. It would be quite easy to make up a fake prod, wired back to a TENS box. My suggestion was for the E-Stim, which is relatively inexpensive, and actually made for BDSM play. Though I know Si and Kaz, from the scene, I have no financial interest in their business.

Mike ('The Prof')

Like Prof I know Si and Kaz and have no financial interest in their business.

I love my A Box and will be getting the E Box as well as soon as finances allow.

Electrical play has never really been my thing because of my fear of electricity. If I wire a plug I check it at least a dozen times just in case.

The A box has changed that for me though. I call it my lazy dom toy. Plug them in and let them hurt themselves. Every time they scream or giggle it zaps them again causing a vicious circle

Give me more

How many E and A box attachments is it safe to use at once ?

It is a real shame that there are so many wires though. Would love some "wireless" accessories.

MG

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Edited 8 Dec 05, 5:05 AM by Sangronun

I've absorbed more current than most lightning rods in my time, all of it accidental. I'm not all that fussed about the odd zap here and there anymore.

My sub, however, is petrified of electricity. Just the mention of it is all I need...

Thing is, electricity is extremely reliable and predictable. It's just the human element that's not.

You could wire up your own tazer in about an hour with parts from maplins and a few minutes searching for plans on the internet, but I'd *strongly* advise against it unless you know exactly what you're doing. Maybe if you're good enough to match the V/I characteristics of existing electroplay toys, (and if you don't know what that means, stick with buying them from people who do) then you could attempt your own electroshock devices.

I always remember the case of a guy who killed himself with a 9V battery. In an electronics course in the royal navy, they were talking about internal resistance (a concept in electronics) and this guy got the bright idea of measuring his own 'internal resistance' by pricking both his thumbs with some wire and connecting a 9V battery straight up to himself. Blood, being a fluid with a lot of charge carriers, sent a decent current straight through him, disrupting his heart and killing him. He became a cautionary tale of how people can kill themselves with just about anything...

So just a note not to mix electroplay and bloodplay, perhaps...

Of course, rule number one, just avoid the heart. You can cause more than enough pain anyway, and there's no real need for the current to be passing across the chest.

Guess you werent watching me at Lifestyles on Saturday then cos that's exactly where the "pads" were placed.

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I agree with The Prof here, and was using the term "Taser" generically and interchangeably, as in "hoover" for vaccuum cleaner.

The Taser, as far as operationally speaking, is nothing more than a stun gun that allows remote deployment of the shock and immobilisation effect via 2 darts connected to wires, and has an effective range of around 4 metres.

Although in point of fact, I have actually once used the original Taser, complete with compressed air driven expulsion of darts into a sub (and would not do so again, not as controllable as hoped), what the prof may not realise is that the dart system is fully self contained in a disposable cartridge.

When that cartridge is removed, the Taser will also function as a normal stun gun with two exposed electrodes, or at least, the ones I used in the USA would back in 1997. This is the variant that I used on myself, and it was still not pleasant, but sufficiently controllable that I have used it frequently since.

The design was done that way so that it could be used to quickly further defend oneself in the event that the attacker recovered, or you missed.

Av8r

Edited 8 Dec 05, 5:30 PM by AberdeenAV8R

The two types I did the elctrical evaluation of were different in their reload. One, as you descibe was an 'all in one' cartridge of probes, wire and gas, the other had a seperate gas cylinder and a more compact 'load' of darts and wire. In both cases, (as I remember - could be wrong!), the propellant was nitrogen, though some use carbon dioxide too. The reload was a more awkward than a lot of the automatic handguns I've used, perhaps due the a more elaborate safety system - you wouldn't want to jolt yourself whilst trying for a fast reload after missing after all. People like FN have gone more for the 'knock down' impact weapon, which uses compressed air to fire what seems like big paintball, (try http://www.fnherstal.com/html/Index.htm and look under 'Less Lethal'), though it's not exactly a concealable weapon.

A major difference between one of the dart type and a stun gun is that if the darts penetrate the skin, the effect is a lot greater, (blood being very saline and conductive). Only one of the units had probes, and I didn't actually see the handbook - so, looking back, it must have been as you describe, though, if it was good enough to use as a stunner without the darts, it would have been on the limit of lethality with them. The latest ones sem to have a penetration limiting bar or disc after the barbs, some claim to work by snagging in clothing.

There is a news item on line about a naked man getting shot in the genitals by Florida police http://www.14wfie.com/Global/story.asp?S=4153063... but I think that might be a hard limit for most.

I am interested in your description of controllable - is this just duration of use or is there another way to reduce the output if need be?

Mike ('The Prof')

Controllable, as in location of application of shock, whereas with the barbs from a distance of even only 4-5 feet, it is almost impossible to place them accurately, ie, within a targeted vertical area of 3-4" per dart.

6" is do-able, but not accurate enough for my liking for bdsm.

Perfectly servicable for an attacker, but then with them you are not worried about leaving marks where the darts come out.

Duration either way was controllable simply via how long you depress the trigger.