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what makes a TV feminine? (17)

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1 Nov 05, 8:23 PM
becky_fairy
6 yrs
Great thread.

I like Molly's ideas, which are left of centre even in the slightly unconventional world of TV's. I too view myself as a caricature of a pretty female.

To be honest I do get a cheap thrill in dressing up and often do it for my own pleasure when no one else is around as well as in BDSM clubs. However the time, finance and industry involved in becoming a convincing TV is anything but cheap. To suggest that it is disrespectful to women is a slight anomaly as an awful lot of TV's would walk the length of the country if told to do so by a Domme (in locked stiletos of course).

Whilst I admit to feeling really good as a leggy bird in a miniskirt, fantasing about being eyed up by leering blokes it is surely no more degrading to women as a biological female doing the same thing.

P.S. This is a very personal post, describing the way that I feel, I am a very unlearned t-girl and would never dare try to represent a whole group of people.

Once again, nice thread. Got me thinkin' good.

hugs, becky

MollyRubberDolly wrote:
Wow, so many thought provoking statements from a number of thoughtful individuals.

I definitely fall into the submissive and quiet role when dressed but my thing is a rubber dolly look, which is a paradoy of the sex-doll thing and not intended to offend.

I have always wanted to be wanted, physically by someone who would like sex with a rubber doll, which is a far cry from denigrating or offending.

I try to make myself look slutty for that person who wants a trashy and slutty sex doll. No more and no less.

The debate is excellent.

Keep it up (said the actress to the vicar . . .)

2 Nov 05, 2:15 AM
Just_Scott
7 yrs
What makes a TV feminine?

Foundation. It's a TV's best friend, and helps you to stop looking like Emily 'I'm a lady' Howard.

If you get the face right, the rest tends to follow quite naturally.

I want your Lego.

2 Nov 05, 7:24 AM
Scylla
UK, 6 yrs
In my case I have always enjoyed dressing as a woman, I think mainly due to the variety of styles woman can chose from compared to men. If you just look at what women can wear to go to work compared with the male suit. But in BDSM terms would say I'm submissive and that I feel more dominant when dressed as a woman. Probably all those power suits of Jackie Collins, LOL.

As a side issue though if there are any woman who would like to be dominated by a 47, slippers by the fire side (see another post on age) CD, then drop me a line :-D

there's nothing worse than trying to fist jam a greasy crack

2 Nov 05, 8:00 AM
demolitionred
7 yrs
wow. interesting the variance. seems there are as many kinds of TVs are there are types of women.

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2 Nov 05, 8:03 AM
ropeburn
10 yrs
Ariane wrote:
I'd hate to see what some of us women would act like if we suddenly tried to act like a man.

Arghh a world of Thatcher clones

2 Nov 05, 8:09 AM
demolitionred
7 yrs
For my part, I like wearing menswear, but in a very feminine way.

I wear a business suit, tails, a uniform but with underwear, corset and heels.

I wouldn't though wear a female uniform.

As yet I haven't worked out why.

Is it because I lack confidence in my sexiness without those things we associate with with female sexiness, is it because in this guise I am uberwoman?

Dressed as a man, I am more austere and yet more gregarious and outrageous.

Yet dressed as an uberdomme I can be distant and as a dolly I can be just as bubbly. Maybe then this is about having the best of both worlds. Maybe it is simply that I feel more desired in this particular combination.

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2 Nov 05, 8:09 AM
canequest
UK(TF), 12 yrs
demolition_red wrote:
One of the criticisms often levelled at drag queens and TV's (less so at cross dressers and TS's) is that they define feminity in a way which denigrates womankind.

The emphasis on the short skirts, a giggle, bitchiness, submission are examples I have heard.

Of the T-girls here, I was wondering what specific elements of your character -- if any -- are more to the fore when you are dressed?

Are these characteristics that you feel uncomfortable with as a man?

Do you associate womanhood with submission? service? caring? or dominance, multi-tasking, strength.

I gues this doesn't apply so much to those that do it

just for themselves and the love of the clothes.

but all comments welcome.

As ever, another erudite post from Demo Red. I think it depends on many factors as to how you perceive your femme persona. In my case, I was introduced to cross-dressing as a feature of my training by my first Mistress. The point she made was that I was not going to "mimic" a woman, I would be dressed and made up properly and thus allow my femme nature to show itself naturally. Her guidance was invaluable I have to say. Thus I do not wear a maids "outfit"--with connotations of the "sexy maid" etc, but do wear a uniform to demonstrate my subservient capacity as a serious working maid. Likewise, when dressed in other female attire, I dress to present myself in a positive manner and appearance as well as demonstrating female body language and stature. I have never been a dedicated TV however. Having said that, I find my female persona easy to live with and not contrived or a "fantasy" enactment. The key point however, was the guidance and assistance given to me to help develop this element of my nature. There is also, I feel, the distinction to be made betweem being feminine / feminised as an integral of a D/s relationship and being "effeminate". I am invariably submissive when dressed, yet also feel very strong--not such a contradiction in terms as it appears.I suppose that I am also fortunate in having a physique that lends itself easily to being cross -dressed and thus I do not look as incongruous as some who simply parody women although clearly non of us can help our physiques or genetics.

As an aside, I was once told by a "manager"--think classic male "thick as pig manure, luddite, and bully" here that "you sound just like a xxxxing wumun"--in terms of logic and reasoning to resolve problems--thus it never understood my comment in response when I replied "Thanks for the compliment".

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