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a call for action related to BDSM images on the net (64)

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30 Aug 05, 11:26 PM
relaxed1
UK(BR), 6 yrs

lairdx wrote:

If the government passes this Act can we be prosecuted for images on our computer's hard drive that were there before the act was passed? I am not enough of a computer boffin to know exactly how this stuff is stored.

You can use a product that scans for pictures and allows you to choose to destroy them. I use xcleaner to rid my PC of the curse of spyware and adware, which it does reasonably effectively, but it also has a facility to search your hard drive for all images (bear in mind that includes lots of buttons and other images associated with software that you want) and allows you selectively to destroy them.

Like you, I'm not techy enough to know if this truly destroys beyond recognition, but I would expect that it's good enough for a court to accept that you made every effort to comply with the law. Whatever, if you run a defragmentation program afterwards, there won't be a whole lot left to find of any deleted pictures.

There's a freeware version, which I think has the picture search facility.

http://www.xblock.com/download-freeware.php

It's maybe a little early to worry too much about that at the moment though.

We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking up at the stars

30 Aug 05, 11:29 PM
lairdx
6 yrs
relaxedlondon wrote:
lairdx wrote:

If the government passes this Act can we be prosecuted for images on our computer's hard drive that were there before the act was passed? I am not enough of a computer boffin to know exactly how this stuff is stored.

You can use a product that scans for pictures and allows you to choose to destroy them. I use xcleaner to rid my PC of the curse of spyware and adware, which it does reasonably effectively, but it also has a facility to search your hard drive for all images (bear in mind that includes lots of buttons and other images associated with software that you want) and allows you selectively to destroy them.

Like you, I'm not techy enough to know if this truly destroys beyond recognition, but I would expect that it's good enough for a court to accept that you made every effort to comply with the law. Whatever, if you run a defragmentation program afterwards, there won't be a whole lot left to find of any deleted pictures.

There's a freeware version, which I think has the picture search facility.

http://www.xblock.com/download-freeware.php

It's maybe a little early to worry too much about that at the moment though.

I agree. It would be a shame to get rid of some smashing photographs though. Thanks for the info though It's always best to be ready.

30 Aug 05, 11:30 PM
SiouxNation
UK(TQ), 7 yrs

lairdx wrote:
I see. Bollocks.

Yep!

And not only that, but your ISP (probably) keeps records of what traffic has passed down your line (email, websites visited, ICQ, Yahoo messenger, etc)

And each transaction is datestamped too :(

Double Bollocks!

At my place of employ we are obliged to keep 6 months worth of such rubbish "Just In Case" so that should someone do something naughty we can track back through the huge (and I mean HUGE!) number of transactions that the average user makes in the course of six months and inform the plodders of everything they have done in that period!

And should you happen to get wind of an impending raid, formatting your hard drive probably won't do you any good either. The forensic department at Scotland Yard have managed to retrieve acurate data from a hard drive that had been "low level" formatted 7 times!

Double Bollocks with a large side of shit to go!

Cellphone: Means of communication for prisoners.

30 Aug 05, 11:33 PM
SiouxNation
UK(TQ), 7 yrs

lairdx wrote:
I agree. It would be a shame to get rid of some smashing photographs though. Thanks for the info though It's always best to be ready.

Write them out to DVD first, then bury the DVD's in a neighbours garden (makes it easier to deny that they are yours ;) )

Cellphone: Means of communication for prisoners.

30 Aug 05, 11:34 PM
lairdx
6 yrs
Double Bollocks with brass knobs on... Or can I be prosecuted for my foul mouth too now?

I have however thought of a snappy name for the pressure group.

Consenting Union (of) Nipple Torturers (and) Sadists. It does have one forseeable drawback however...

30 Aug 05, 11:36 PM
TheFalconer
UK(S), 6 yrs

lili wrote:
How about Consenting Adults for Freedom of Expression (CAFE) since Freedom of Expression is article 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights.

lili

I like that one! Certainly it seems to me that the issue here is that we believe that (despite the reassurances to the contrary in the consultation document) this legislation may well restrict our Article 10 (and article 8) rights.

31 Aug 05, 12:35 AM
estella
UK, 7 yrs
Apologies if this link has already been posted, but objections can be made to the Home Office via here:

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/inside/consults/cur...

31 Aug 05, 1:39 AM
stardust
UK(B), 7 yrs
TheFalconer wrote:
lili wrote:
How about Consenting Adults for Freedom of Expression (CAFE) since Freedom of Expression is article 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights.

lili

I like that one! Certainly it seems to me that the issue here is that we believe that (despite the reassurances to the contrary in the consultation document) this legislation may well restrict our Article 10 (and article 8) rights.

I think CAFE is good too - simple, unthreatening, and yet adult.

Better probably than any I can come up with:

SAFIRE - Save Adult Freedoms Including Responsible Eroticism/Expression

FRAME - Freedom for Responsible Adults and Mature Expression/Eroticism

SAFE - Save Adult Freedoms from Erosion

and finally, give PEAS a chance? Maybe not...

PEAS - Protect Expression of Adult Sexuality

(BTW was wondering if this law gets passed, perhaps Informed Consent should be renamed as Consenting Suspects..! The law is just one step away, or less, from criminalising BDSM - if you can't see pictures of something, how could it be justified that people could do that, unless of course the Dom/me was blindfolded too... )

31 Aug 05, 3:31 AM
Pi_dom
UK, 6 yrs
I'd be more than happy to do my bit, and I'm fully intending to write a carefully worded letter to my MP, and to the people considering the proposal.

But to be realistic, the government knee-jerk is in full swing, and only a *massive* public opposition would stop it, and I don't feel the majority of people would speak up strongly about it, if at all.

I feel the best bet would be to present a workable alternative. What that would be, I don't know...

The part of all this I find most interesting is that my MP is Ruth Kelly, who is probably totally in favour of this legeslation, while at the same time she's a member of the Opus Dei, a religious organisation, some of whose members practise corporal mortification and self flagellation. So it's ok for her cult members to do it, as long as no-one looks at pictures of anyone doing the same thing on the Internet...

31 Aug 05, 9:44 AM
Platinum
UK(W), 9 yrs
Manniq wrote:
Yep: I am a compromiser. I appreciate what you are arguing for, and I think you are right to do so. I am not sure that it will work.

Prisoner's dilemma time. Your approach maximises the benefits if we win but arguably, also maximises the losses if we lose. Mine - again, arguably, which means that I don't KNOW I am right - is aimed at minimising the loss...but equally, has the downside of aiming for less than total victory.

Yes: in my heart, I hope your approach is right. My fear is that it may not be.

Regards,

M

I find myself in this posistion as well. Much has been made of the vagueness of this legislation. All UK legislation tends to be drawn vague as the principle of allowing case law to accurately define the limits is inherent in our legal system.

The current goverment will draw up a vague crowd pleasing piece of legaslative dross. The few sane thinkers left in the Lords may knock some of the inconsistancies out of it before it goes on the statute books if we are lucky. Then it's down to the European courts to be persuaded to override the stupider clauses and case by case fights to finish the job off.

Sorry to be so negative but Spanner etc. are clear indicators of the nature of the fight to come. By all means try and make the first draft as sensible as possible but do not expect to be home by christmas. This is the first battle in a long and drawn out war.

P
"This is all about fun, self exploration and never has to be any more serious than you want it to be." demolition red
;-)

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