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Male subs and submission (96)

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26 Aug 05, 8:58 PM
dougie159*
UK(KA), 7 yrs


Countess wrote:
But what I'm looking to understand is not in session play.

What about the uppity subs? We have a few on here. You know who you are. At what point does driving Mistress mad become submissive?

Ariane

People like to tease and play and find reactions. That is inherent in most people. From my own point of view i like to push a bit at a Mistress to see what happens. This can sometimes result in the unplanned (as opposed to unexpected) where by you get the opposite reaction to that which you were hoping for ie. punishment. The result can be distressing in that you might just have destroyed a little of what you had. I dare say the same can happen for the Mistress or the Dom.

Therefor, like all relationships the bond between the two people must be strong and this can only be built up over time and experience and it is important to realise that mistakes can be made on both sides. As a sub i would try to minimise any such occurence and try to please the Mistress as much as possible but they will still happen even though i am strongly sub.

What any relationship has to focus on is all the good and strong feelings and times that should outway any negatives. We all learn by experience (and the lash or CBT just to lighten the mood).

As a sub i really really want to please a Mistress and this in theory should make learning about each other easier. It comes down i suppose to honesty, but that has to be on both sides. If there is something that really pisses off the other then it has to be brought into the open. Perhaps it may be easier for the Mistress to express this (in whatever way) but it is also up to the sub to find a way to let the Dom know what they are feeling.

This is too long and i think i have come back to where i started. KNOW EACH OTHER AND BE HONEST. I should just have written that in the first place. Hope it helps, though probably not having read it all.

Still free.

26 Aug 05, 9:27 PM
Ariane
8 yrs
dougie159 wrote:

This is too long and i think i have come back to where i started.

No this is great, the detail expresses the subtleties. Have I awarded you a gold star yet?

Ariane

Relax, nothing's under control.

26 Aug 05, 9:38 PM
dougie159*
UK(KA), 7 yrs


Countess wrote:
dougie159 wrote:

This is too long and i think i have come back to where i started.

No this is great, the detail expresses the subtleties. Have I awarded you a gold star yet?

Ariane

Yup.......but it would be better if you 'pinned' it on.

Glad it made some sense and helped

Still free

Edited 26 Aug 05, 9:39 PM by dougie159

27 Aug 05, 6:38 AM
Ariane
8 yrs
dougie159 wrote:

Yup.......but it would be better if you 'pinned' it on.

Flesh or clothing? ;)

Ariane

Relax, nothing's under control.

27 Aug 05, 7:28 AM
tightrope35
UK(RG), 6 yrs
novice2tame wrote:
Countess wrote:
As we all know, there are a lot of male subs around. A lot of them promise submission to Dommes quite freely. A smaller group state that they would wish to submit to a special Domme when they find the right one.

What I would really like to know from both groups, is how they view their own submission. What does it mean to them to be submissive?

Let's skip the part about the ones who say they are submissive and then top from the bottom and expect an easy shag, we all know about them and I'm not here to complain about them.

I would just like to get inside the heads of the males, who we all know think differently than females, who see themselves as driven to submissiveness.

Consider it a test essay question. ;)

Ariane

Countess, I've done it. I have always been, and am dominant in my relationships with women. And, I've been in war...combat. For me, I can't see myself doing what I've seen on websites, e.g. wearing nylons, frilly things, or licking a dildo, or running to do something for a Mistress.

What I want, and this is probably different from most, is to experience what a captive does when someone tries to break them physically and mentally. That's a challenge to me. I wonder what would happen if a Domme was determined to make me give in. I would probably do some things, but I've got a strong male ego. I am curious about how I would hold out if a Mistress was determined to force me to submit beyond what I imagine.

Novice2tame, I very much understand where you are coming from. There seems to be a spectrum of submission, both mental and physical, which gives a delicious range of possibilities, almost something for everyone. I would never criticise anyone for doing what turns them on, but it might be completely different from what I want. Maybe the term 'submissive' is just too generic, as it covers a very broad range of situations.

27 Aug 05, 9:07 AM
Ariane
8 yrs
tightrope35 wrote:

Novice2tame, I very much understand where you are coming from. There seems to be a spectrum of submission, both mental and physical, which gives a delicious range of possibilities, almost something for everyone. I would never criticise anyone for doing what turns them on, but it might be completely different from what I want. Maybe the term 'submissive' is just too generic, as it covers a very broad range of situations.

This is why I'm asking for a spectrum of opinions here, rather than just going to a sub friend or two.

Ariane

Relax, nothing's under control.

27 Aug 05, 9:35 AM
lisal
9 yrs
Maybe going to be a bit different from most then

What I would like is an equal relationship where we both have our independence but also do things together as a pair. The D/s side would be at playtime when we both fancied it and it would not be hugely serious. Just two people having fun together and be able to revert to equality again without any problems

Equal all the time I guess, actually. Just enjoying ourselves with D/s when we fancied it. So submission for me is something that is sexual and and at that time I am submissive - not all of the time though

I know some people are much more serious about this kind of relationship and the very best of luck and enjoy yourselves - just not for me

27 Aug 05, 10:55 AM
Parato_Law
UK, 8 yrs
Countess wrote:
As we all know, there are a lot of male subs around. A lot of them promise submission to Dommes quite freely. A smaller group state that they would wish to submit to a special Domme when they find the right one.

What I would really like to know from both groups, is how they view their own submission. What does it mean to them to be submissive?

Let's skip the part about the ones who say they are submissive and then top from the bottom and expect an easy shag, we all know about them and I'm not here to complain about them.

I would just like to get inside the heads of the males, who we all know think differently than females, who see themselves as driven to submissiveness.

Consider it a test essay question. ;)

Ariane

For me, my definition is in agreeing to do whatever the dominant partner asks and my favourite medium for this is in serving that person on a domestic slave basis.

27 Aug 05, 11:01 AM
baby_sweet_pee
UK, 10 yrs
well here goes with my two pence worth, i live and work in a very male world,i have to be on my toes at all times,i am surrounded by gangsters who would kill me if they knew what i get up to in my "private" life,even though i bet one or two of them are the same way inclined.but to leave that world and worship a Mistress is just sheer bliss, it doesnt have to have labels,just Mistress and Her slave having fun, we make it so complicated at times.it is something i will always do, its what and who i am "a sub",and i am at my best when i am owned and collared. a leo without his Mistress is a very sad sight.....have fun.
27 Aug 05, 12:07 PM
dougie159*
UK(KA), 7 yrs


Countess wrote:
dougie159 wrote:

Yup.......but it would be better if you 'pinned' it on.

Flesh or clothing? ;)

Ariane

Take a guess. I'm a little subbie after all.

Still free.

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