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Safe Calls (37)

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10 Mar 05, 8:33 PM
BethTVMistress
UK, 10 yrs
rella wrote:
Recently I was specifically requested to set up a safe call, and it was something i'd never really done before. Generally if i dont feel comfortable meeting someone at all then it doesnt happen. I leave note of where i've gone for the day/evening with my flatmates and tell them when i'll be back, but i'd do that even if i was popping to the shops.

A general scheme set up to cover a more public group is open to abuse and personal vendettas - ie getting police called on people in the middle of something. Sad to say it, but it could easily happen

That's why we feel so humbled by those that ask us to do it.

BethTVMistress
"It's a new dawn, a new day, a new life for me - and I'm feeling good!" - Nina Simone

11 Mar 05, 11:27 PM
CoeurDeLion
UK(E), 8 yrs
rubyd wrote:
I would insist on... an email address, other than hotmail or yahoo that includes their real name (from their ISP account eg BT.com etc). Of course you can't be sure of this but not many people would be bothered to create a fictitious account from their ISP.

With respect (I work in the IT industry) it is trivial to open an account with an ISP using a false name. And lots of people do.

And if, heaven forbid, something did go wrong and you went to the police the chances of them getting anything useful out of the ISP are varying degrees of zero.

But if you learn how to read the headers of an e-mail then you can glean a great deal of information. For example if they are using a hotmail account you will see something like this:

Return-Path: <xxx@hotmail.com> ... X-Originating-IP: [00.00.00.00]

Running some standard tests (whois, traceroute etc) on the IP address can be very revealing.

I had an incident recently where someone was supposedly mailing me from somewhere on the south coast.

Lots of other little red flags had been popping up for other reasons. So I took a look at the headers of the mails.

They all came from the same IP address. Which was 100+ miles (and several counties) away from where it should have been. And belonged to a cable company that didn't provide a service to anywhere near the place that the mails were supposedly coming from...

All of a sudden, the little red flags became very loud alarm bells.

Because Hotmail and Yahoo do a pretty good job of logging where the mail came from they are actually your friend.

Yes, I know that mail headers can be forged. And IP addresses spoofed or zombied.

But you should get the general idea.

About me: Lionheart's Lair was last updated Mar 10. http://www.lionheart.me.uk
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12 Mar 05, 11:46 PM
NikUrzdown
UK, 7 yrs
pennine_top wrote:
Hey, sorry if anyone things I'm being flippant. I didn't mean to barge in on a sensitive subject.

However, I do have a serious underlying point to make about having BDSM aware contacts in the police force. There must SURELY be the odd police officer reading this?! SURELY!

If the worse was to happen and you actually need to ring the police. Wouldn't it be good if there was a BDSM aware copper on the end of a phone somewhere? They could advise and then maybe even contact the local force on your behalf to ask for the local patrol to pop round to check that everything is cool. I'd prefer that than having to explain to a vanilla operator why I wanted the boys in blue to go to No 3 XYZ Street to see if my friend was ok.

This is a serious idea. Are there any police out there?

Yes there is a Police Officer reading this. And I can definitely tell you, and everyone else, that a sincere report of any kind of continuing (i.e. it is happening right now) offence will result in a prompt Police response. In most Police Forces, that is less than ten minutes in an urban area. But that is not quite, I think, what is being asked. It seems that some people are hoping that the Police will respond to prevent or deter some kind of problem/assault, if previously informed that it might happen. Police Officers are often informed that some kind of problem may occur: our invariable common sense advice is to avoid the possibility. Sadly, there are not enough of us to stand by in case some kind of "date" turns out wrong. I am sure that everyone can see that this would not refer just to the "BDSM" situation, but to any kind of "date". There are thousands of such things, and not enough Police Officers in the world to cover this kind of thing. The official advice would be to be reasonably sure that no problem is going to occur-otherwise do not take the risk. I am sorry this is a "wet blanket" answer to the many sensible suggestions in this thread. But this is the "real world". All of the usual advice about knowing as much as possible about the person you are going to meet, of course, applies. I might also add that anyone who reports to the Police that he/she is about to participate in a BDSM scene would (very likely) be recorded in a an Intelligence Database. These kind of things are completely confidential, and only interrogated in the event of investigating some kind of offence. Nevertheless, many people might not want to be recorded there. This is just a fact, not a problem. From many years of personal experience, I am afraid that I have to say that there are not enough Police Officers (not one tenth enough Police Officers) to cover all the possibilities. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING I have written should be interpreted as deterring anyone from calling the Police if he/she believes an offence is occuring. That is what we are for. We will respond. I hope this is of some use.

13 Mar 05, 12:29 AM
Ms_VL1
7 yrs
I would agree with all of the above safety advice, but would personally always prefer to either meet at a munch or something like the LFF.

You could also bring a friend, if the person you are meeting is safe, they would understand and not mind. If you prefer a bit of privacy, you could even ask your friend to sit at a separate table if you meet in a pub or restaurant. Obviously it might be easier to do that if it's a couple of friends, so they don't have to sit there like a gooseberry! ;)

I'm in the lucky position to have my lovely Husband as escort for all potential meets with subs, but I would most definitively set up a safe call system if I wasn't - better safe than sorry!!!

Ms VL1 - Edited cos I can't spell...

If you don't live life on the edge, you're taking up too much space! :)

Edited 13 Mar 05, 12:32 AM by Ms_VL1

13 Mar 05, 12:10 PM
TheProf
UK(BL), 12 yrs
There's beensome very good input on this thread. Some of you may be interested in safetxt service, I believe the original system was started in response to an abduction.

http://www.safetxt.co.uk/

ML, (Master Laurence, the other half of Roissy Workshops), and I once had a long discussion on safe calls - there are a few negatives at both ends - ranging from possible charges of 'aiding and abetting', to 'contributory negligence'. I'll have a word with him, and see if we can recontruct the conclusions.

One thing I've done for a few friends of mine is to act as a 'trusted third party'. I'll accompany them to the meet, say hello, and sometimes, sit in a corner with a drink until given the OK.

One simple point: if someone insists on some kind of clandestine first time meeting, then it's probably a strong indicator of future problems. They may 'just' be cheating on a partner, but ML says the profile of many sex offenders commonly contains 'secretive'.

I'm a voter for the 'munch or club' style meeting myself.

Thunder is a bit more lucky then me - I'm the one who gets the BDSM emergency calls at 2.00am - like "The-hooks-I've-just-put-in-have-pulled-down-part-o f-the-bedroom-ceiling-and-covered-us-in-dust-and-my -partners-having-hysterics", type of thing.

Perhaps we need BDSM 'Thunderbirds' too.

Mike ('The Prof'), Roissy Workshops

13 Mar 05, 12:35 PM
MistressEbonyUK
UK, 7 yrs
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I Would Generally ask for their real full name.

A LandLine Number

A Mobile Number

Meeting in a Public Place Maybe ( At First )

Definetely Letting Someone Else Know what I am Doing

..and Ofcourse Letting the Person I am Meeting Know There is Someone Knowing I am Meeting Them.

Used all The Above in The Past!

MistressEbonyUK

14 Mar 05, 11:43 AM
pennine_top
7 yrs
TheProf wrote:
I'm the one who gets the BDSM emergency calls at 2.00am - like "The-hooks-I've-just-put-in-have-pulled-down-part-o f-the-bedroom-ceiling-and-covered-us-in-dust-and-my -partners-having-hysterics", type of thing.

Perhaps we need BDSM 'Thunderbirds' too.

Now how did that theme go? - Dom, de de Dom... ;)

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