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EDL and LUAF - Leicester demonstrations (89)

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9 Feb 12, 1:36 PM
Black0rchid
UK, 2 yrs

What is quite interesting to me is during @Footdwarf's open support of the EDL he was quite indignant that this was not a racist organisation. After name calling a whole race/culture of people "Dirty xxxxx who.... blah blah", he ended the post with, "People accuse me of making racist comments on IC, but I have yet to make a racist comment". Mindblowing that he did not recognise himself how racist his comment was. He then further went on to say that because he'd been topped by oriental and black dommes the notion that he was racist was ridiculous.

The basic bottom line is, even though he made blatently racist comments and came out in support of an organisation which is known for being a racist organisation, he really did not want to be identified as a racist.

On IC various people make racist jokes, racist comments and then become wholly indignant that they could possibly be racist. Arguments being put forward that just because you make racist jokes this does not automatically make you a racist (and other silly blah blah theories).

The "We-make-racist-jokes-and-use-racist-stereotypes-an d-language-now-considered-racist-but-we-aren't-raci st" brigade then all gather round to pat each other on the backs and say... there... there..., we're going to our mums to tell on you, and then complain that they are upset and THEIR feelings are hurt!

Which is not dissimiliar to @Footdwarf's vain cry of, 'just because I called them dirty .... and support the EDL, in no way am I racist, the best women I've paid to give me a good kicking have been black' cry.

One thing I have observed is, racists hate being called racists. They don't mind using racist language, telling racist jokes, putting other people and cultures down, but the minute they are identified for what they are (racists) , wow watch all the group hugs and complaints about how their feelings have been hurt.

In Hackney we used to say, if it walks like a dog, if it barks like a dog, if it xxxxx like a dog.... it's a dog.

Racists simply do not like being called racists. Like @Footdwarf, they want to have the right to say and cause offence to whoever they like and then cry that their right to bully others has been taken away from them and its some kind of denial of their human rights. @Footdwarf should be able to find some comfort and solice in that little group.

One can't help but be drawn to one of the latest posts on informed debate: http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/324971/

Edited 9 Feb 12, 1:46 PM by Black0rchid

9 Feb 12, 11:26 PM
TheMarquise
UK, 6 yrs

Footdwarf wrote:

Rigour wrote:

Footdwarf wrote:

Ethics_Gradient wrote:

Informed_Debate wrote:
Well, there are almost more posts hidden on this thread now than visible.

Please try and keep it above board people. Remember that you don't have to stoop to the lowest common denominator to make your point.

Thanks.

lowest common denominator should have been banned already...

Aye, and then we just have an unbalanced left wing view on every topic.

Not really, in fact you seem to have achieved the never before attempted aim of uniting both the left and right leaning posters who are all arguing against you.

Like who? ,as far as i can tell, the people who have debated on this topic and previous topics hold left wing views on all things.

Come to the next protest in Hyde Manchester on the 25th Feb and see for yourself what EDL is about,instead of reading the lies in the press.

Other than that, channel 4 Dispatches are airing a documentary concerning the EDL in the coming weeks.

You think that Dispatches will show the EDL in a positive light? - ha ha!

10 Feb 12, 12:42 AM
Conan_The_Librarian
UK(S), 3 yrs

TheMarquise wrote:

Footdwarf wrote:

Rigour wrote:

Footdwarf wrote:

Ethics_Gradient wrote:

Informed_Debate wrote:
Well, there are almost more posts hidden on this thread now than visible.

Please try and keep it above board people. Remember that you don't have to stoop to the lowest common denominator to make your point.

Thanks.

lowest common denominator should have been banned already...

Aye, and then we just have an unbalanced left wing view on every topic.

Not really, in fact you seem to have achieved the never before attempted aim of uniting both the left and right leaning posters who are all arguing against you.

Like who? ,as far as i can tell, the people who have debated on this topic and previous topics hold left wing views on all things.

Come to the next protest in Hyde Manchester on the 25th Feb and see for yourself what EDL is about,instead of reading the lies in the press.

Other than that, channel 4 Dispatches are airing a documentary concerning the EDL in the coming weeks.

You think that Dispatches will show the EDL in a positive light? - ha ha!

I hope the documentary allows the EDL to explain why it is led by Stephen Laxely-Lennon an ex-football hooligan who has severed time in prison for assaulting a police officer on the occasion of his partner being arrested for cocaine possession.

There was a time when aristocrats led English fascists; it is shocking to see how far their standards have fallen.

Augusti Ro Laren Futatrix.

Edited 10 Feb 12, 3:32 AM by Conan_The_Librarian

12 Feb 12, 3:46 AM
BigOldHector
UK(DE), 10 yrs

Well I know a lot of you will have seen this before (this clip had over 70000 hits before I first saw it and damn near pissed myself), but its too good not to share.

And of course no discussion of the EDL would be properly balanced without an input from "Muslamic Ray Gun Man"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL1jDcAHkc8

I AM THE GOD OF HELL-FIRE!.....but its my lunch break right now

12 Feb 12, 3:47 AM
BigOldHector
UK(DE), 10 yrs

Or to put it another way,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUNmc6A6VSo

I AM THE GOD OF HELL-FIRE!.....but its my lunch break right now

12 Feb 12, 3:50 AM
BigOldHector
UK(DE), 10 yrs

Or another.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-it-0dZbvE&featu...

I AM THE GOD OF HELL-FIRE!.....but its my lunch break right now

12 Feb 12, 4:07 AM
BigOldHector
UK(DE), 10 yrs

Of course by now, his friends are getting quite pissed off with all the ridicule that interview has stirred up. For example..........

http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/12336

I AM THE GOD OF HELL-FIRE!.....but its my lunch break right now

28 Feb 12, 2:13 PM
Attitude_Adjuster
UK(N), 6 yrs

TheMarquise wrote:

Footdwarf wrote:

Rigour wrote:

Footdwarf wrote:

Ethics_Gradient wrote:

Informed_Debate wrote:
Well, there are almost more posts hidden on this thread now than visible.

Please try and keep it above board people. Remember that you don't have to stoop to the lowest common denominator to make your point.

Thanks.

lowest common denominator should have been banned already...

Aye, and then we just have an unbalanced left wing view on every topic.

Not really, in fact you seem to have achieved the never before attempted aim of uniting both the left and right leaning posters who are all arguing against you.

Like who? ,as far as i can tell, the people who have debated on this topic and previous topics hold left wing views on all things.

Come to the next protest in Hyde Manchester on the 25th Feb and see for yourself what EDL is about,instead of reading the lies in the press.

Other than that, channel 4 Dispatches are airing a documentary concerning the EDL in the coming weeks.

You think that Dispatches will show the EDL in a positive light? - ha ha!

Well... this was aired last night, is anyone thinking of signing up?

Personally I saw a bunch of idiots in a school yard mentality dispute with another bunch of mindless idiots, escalated and mismanaged by an incompetent local authority. We should expect some level of stupidity from society, we really shouldn't tolerate an authority which allows them to feed and grow.

Our friend Tommy went to great pains to distance himself from racism, but failed to manage to come across as anything but an ill-educated thug with a penchant for casual violence at the first smell of alcohol. He notably admitted that the EDL did attract racists.

There were no muslamic ray guns on show (a disappointment to say the least)

And all men kill the thing they love, By all let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!

28 Feb 12, 6:52 PM
chegne
UK(EX), 8 mths

This entire discussion seems to have been side-tracked from the original post. In answer to which, I agree that the Leicester police went way beyond their proper role in trying to discourage anyone from attending any legal demonstration,or in presuming to speak on behalf of the population of Leicester.

As regards keeping the two demos apart, that was obviously within their remit. Leicester's a big place, but the town centre's not that big. I can see why they'd want them kept well apart.

As regards whether various comments on this thread are "racist", certain people seem not to understand what the word means. Islam is not a race, anymore than Christianity is a race. There are Muslims of all colours, black, brown, white, Chinese, etc. Same applies to Christianity. Vilifying all Muslims is wrong, silly, and nowadays also illegal. But it isn't racist, because that isn't what the word means. Just as oranges are not a vegetable, because that's not what vegetable means.

28 Feb 12, 7:09 PM
AstronautMikeDexter
UK(E), 2 yrs

chegne wrote:
As regards whether various comments on this thread are "racist", certain people seem not to understand what the word means. Islam is not a race, anymore than Christianity is a race. There are Muslims of all colours, black, brown, white, Chinese, etc. Same applies to Christianity. Vilifying all Muslims is wrong, silly, and nowadays also illegal. But it isn't racist, because that isn't what the word means. Just as oranges are not a vegetable, because that's not what vegetable means.

Racial discrimination is defined by the UN as:

any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life

Even UK law defines a racial group as

"any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin"

Religion is typically a large component of one's ethnicity, so any discrimination on the basis of religion would typically be regarded as racial discrimination.

And before we go much further wikipedia gives two reasonably pithy summaries of Ethnic group:

An ethnic group (or ethnicity) is a group of people whose members identify with each other, through a common heritage, often consisting of a common language, a common culture (often including a shared religion) and/or an ideology that stresses common ancestry or endogamy. Another definition is "...a highly biologically self-perpetuating group sharing an interest in a homeland connected with a specific geographical area, a common language and traditions, including food preferences, and a common religious faith"

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