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| 28 Jan 12, 2:08 PM MissAnnThropist UK(SE), 3 yrs     |
Do you want to take that beef up with @Admin as it was Admin that set this ability up. Just because you misunderstood the way the link to someone's profile worked, there is no need to get snarky at the person explaining the naming convention. And you can pick your teddy off the floor whilst you are at it! ETA: If you go into the Help & About IC-> ICcode Help Page there is is in full glory for you:
I want to hold you close / Skin pressed against me tight Edited 28 Jan 12, 2:17 PM by MissAnnThropist | ||||
| 28 Jan 12, 2:21 PM wonderer UK, 5 yrs  |
Yes, lots of info on state pensions available on various gov.uk sites though the calculations are far from simple. Do you have any substantiation for your assertions about what "immigrants" can get? (N.B. As an Anglo-Saxon I suppose I come from an immigrant family; I wonder whether I can get the figures you suggest? Should only thoroughbred Celts be limited to state pension?) "Wisdom begins in wonder” (Socrates) Edited 28 Jan 12, 2:23 PM by wonderer | ||||
| 28 Jan 12, 2:30 PM Empress_Martine UK(HA), 2 yrs £      |
The same technique is used on other sites like fetlife.This always happens when people do not take time to read the relevent areas,but as I always say RTFM.Now back to the point,I would like to know were the OP got his figures on immigrants from.Now where is Bohanza when you need him.Just to settle some points.asylam seekers do not get on to the housing list,only get food coupons and are banned from working while their case is heard. http://empressm7.uboot.com/ http://www.socialkink.com/empressmartine Vampire, pro/lifestyle ts dom/switch.Ageplay mummy/aunty/AB,medical play,domestic,energy, outdoor specialist."Who you calling"@?!;:$£<Σ#"!" "Did you just call me a "@€$££!?"! Edited 28 Jan 12, 2:33 PM by Empress_Martine | ||||
| 28 Jan 12, 2:31 PM emark UK, 9 yrs |
Sign the Consenting Adult Action Network's statement Edited 28 Jan 12, 2:34 PM by emark | ||||
| 28 Jan 12, 4:44 PM littlenic 5 yrs |
And of course there's the oft-repeated fallacy that somehow you're "paying in" when you pay your tax and NI, and somehow that's all going to be waiting for you when you hit 65. That all went to pay the pensions of those who went before. You don't "get back what you paid in", that's not how the system works. If the government decided to scrap the state pension tomorrow (actually, I'll give it 20 years) then those aged 64 aren't going to get a brass farthing. You're paying that to support the people who need it today. When we come to need it, let's hope there are people paying in then, eh? | ||||
| 28 Jan 12, 5:09 PM Rigour UK, 21 mths |
Seriously ? so you've the time to inquire about that but not to read the relevant posts on the thread that you have chosen to continue preferring instead to bicker over forum conventions. Personally I've never used twitter but when I signed up here a while ago I noticed the conventions used to ease communication and adopted them. You must have noticed how things are done round here anyway, the "accidental" gap that you've used to infer I'm a twit whilst sooo cleverly not breaking the AUP shows that.
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| 28 Jan 12, 7:02 PM Abraxus UK(WC), 12 yrs |
I's be interested to know what this "up to" £250 means and what the "starting from" figure is. Does a single, able bodied immigrant, with no dependants automatically get £250, or does he/she have to meet certain qualifying criteria in order to get that amount? If so, what are those criteria? I mean, I can get "up to" £15m if I buy a lottery ticket, but equally I could be a quid down, so it's needs to have some context in order to make a comparison and give it any meaning whatsoever. That said, I'm all for fairness and parity, and don't think our taxes should neccessarily be spent on those who haven't been here to contribute to them. However, to be equally fair, then surely we shouldn't be able to benefit from the fruits of others taxes. The vast majority of immigrants who come here work and contribute to not only our society, but also our tax system. Many are skilled workers, such as doctors, nurses, lawyers, accountants, carpenters, electricians and plumbers, who provide skills and services that we need and benefit from and who in turn pay UK taxes on their income. Their training in all these skills didn't come from our tax money, it wasn't paid for out of our pockets, so why should they pay as much tax as those who were educated and trained here? Surely if we want to be fair, then we should be reimbursing their governments for the costs of education and training, as we're now reaping the rewards in terms of both skills and tax revenues. Like I said, I'm all for fairness, but I'm pedantic about that sort of thing, and believe that if something's truly fair it has to work both ways, for better or worse. Consequently, whilst individual things may seem unfair, costly, or unbalanced, I suspect that in the big scheme of things it probably either balances out, or we're quite possibly better off for it.
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| 28 Jan 12, 8:02 PM Doghouse_Reilly UK(MK), 6 yrs |
This topic is depressing. Fact is that the only reason benefits are a topic in the media and in politics right now is because the government is trying to play divide and rule, turn the workers (who are already getting squeezed pretty hard) against those on benefits (most of whom would gladly take a job if one came along). There is no earthly reason why benefits should be on the national agenda right now. We are in a double dip recession. We are on the brink of losing a generation in terms of availability of work and education. We're in a war with no potential for victory. We're part of an EU that is at the point of total fiscal meltdown. And the government is not dealing with those issues. No, they are trying to get everybody on board for a grand collective kick the people on the bottom of the ladder festival. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. | ||||
| 28 Jan 12, 8:14 PM chartreuse UK(BA), 6 yrs  |
The skilled workers who are employed e.g. those who have travelled here to work, are often paid less than an employee who has trained here... if lower wages are paid then less is collected in taxes. Admittedly, I think there is a problem when people won't work because they can claim more in benefits than they might earn - however, there should be a sense of pride in oneself for earning what one lives on, even if it is not as much as we would wish for. Topping-up what people earn would cost less than giving them as much each week as some people earn. It has been said that the maximum amount anyone can claim on benefits should be £26k p.a.!! I work full-time and don't currently earn that!! Pensioners can survive on less money because they grew up in times of hardship and possess the skills to cope, they know how to grow their own food and aren't scared of hard work. All the material things that many people take for granted now did not exist for them when they were young, clothes were handed down from one family member to another (if still fit to be worn), clothes didn't have to have designer labels to make them acceptable, food was cooked from scratch and the only sort of take-away around then was the chip shop. Holidays were not an expectation (unless it was a few days in a caravan/tent), a family, generally, only had one car, heating was kept to one room not the whole house, phones and televisions were only for those who could afford them, children did not expect expensive gifts and computers had not even been thought about. The world (well, this country) is a far more materialistic place for the young than it is for the older generation, they (the older generation) would like more but they don't expect it - others DO EXPECT and think it is their right to have. We won't die without labels on our clothes, without a personal computer, without take-away food, without the latest mobile phone, without a car each, without a holiday, etc. - food is fuel, we NEED food but we don't NEED as much as we think. People used to work to help bring an income into the household, to survive - now there is no need to... they can just pop down to the job centre and apply for benefits, they can thank the older generation for that! ETA ~ Pensioners often don't claim what it is their right to claim, because they don't want to be a problem to anyone or make a fuss - many will have worked hard all their lives, many will have grown-up in difficult times and face ending their days on the bread-line, too. Perhaps, if there were fewer benefit claimants there would be more for those who have worked and struggled to provide for their families. There is a culture of expectation which there didn't used to be, who should we blame? @The_Coven / @The_Problem_Page / I want the "Moon on a stick and the Stars suspended from bunting". / So many haystacks, so few needles! / Any man can be what a woman wants him to be, if he wants to be with her... relinquish the power to her and let her lead the way. Edited 28 Jan 12, 8:36 PM by chartreuse | ||||
| 28 Jan 12, 8:23 PM lush_london UK(WC), 6 yrs |
I think the OP is making his 'facts' up, or being economical with the truth at the very least. Most immigrants are unable to claim anything until they have spent a certain amount of time here. A friend of mine married someone from South Africa who came here to live with her, and he had to provide an undertaking that he would not claim anything from the State until he had lived and worked here for a certain amount of time. |
