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Men deserve equal rights too! (26)

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15 Jan 12, 8:40 AM
angellover
UK(CM), 3 yrs

Belasarius wrote:
I happen to think that society would need far fewer rights enshrined in law if people took their responsibilities toward others seriously.

I happen to think this works rather well in D/s too. For me, taking responsibility for each other helps create the right dynamic. It's very difficult to do. But feels good when it happens.

Seconded...

The highest fences we have to climb, are those we have built within our mind

15 Jan 12, 9:39 AM
simply_sub_lime
UK(SP), 2 yrs

I count a number of transvestites among my friends, have been to a club with one, been out socially with another who was actually in a skirt, heels, full make up, whilst I was effectively in "male" dress mode of trousers, flat shoes (quite unintentionally, just what I generally wear). Yet another whom I have yet to go out with either to a club or shopping but planning on doing so, and another whom I have yet to meet but have been chatting with for a very long time.

All these people are very different as to where they dress, some in the privacy of their own homes, or in clubs but one in particular is totally comfortable wherever she is in whichever dress mode she is in. Some years ago (I have known her for 30 years) she lived totally as a woman for about 6 months, raising an unbelievable amount of money for charity, and seldom ever queried as to gender. Not a mean feat for someone who stands well over 6feet and not exactly skinny. She also worked full time in a very male environment. She did, however, take the time to learn how to perfect make-up, to learn her colour tones, wear wigs that suited her facial shape, skirts that flattered her.

If I have one suggestion as to how other Tv's can improve how they are regarded, it is to take the time to learn these things.

15 Jan 12, 9:56 AM
Rigour
UK, 21 mths

roblxxx wrote:
According to research carrried out by the BBC in the 1980s, Domestic Violence against men is 6 times more prevalent than against women. However, almost all court cases involving Domestic Violence put the man in the dock.

This, simply, is wrong and to use 30 year odd research from a TV company without linking to the surveys questions to "prove" your point is pathetic.

More hedonism NOW

15 Jan 12, 10:06 AM
CookieMonster
UK, 6 yrs

roblxxx wrote:
The problem is partly that Women don't believe in, or want, equa. rights for both sexes. They only believe in Equal Rights for Women, which means, of course they actually wnt more Rights.

women, do you mean feminists?

more rights, do you mean priveleges.

15 Jan 12, 11:17 AM
Souci_X
UK(BA), 5 yrs

I feel that men should be able to wear whatever they want to wear, I think people like Izzard could be the making of that, though he does experience insult and bigotry the mass opinion seems to be good on him. I loved him on the big fat quiz of the year, and how someone said 'you are not a real transvestite'. I think that is the crux really isn't it. A kilt is seen as hyper manly.

The biggest issue I think comes with the gender issue, that the clothes maketh the man. If you are wearing a skirt because you like the look of it that is one thing, if you are wearing a skirt to be more like a woman that is another.

Its the same with all things, people take time to adjust. When it is an element that is changed people cope easier with it, a bit of black eye liner on a man and people barely bat an eyelid.

Women do have a greater choice of clothes to wear, but as has been said there is a difference between a woman wearing trousers and a woman dressing as a man.

The feminist bashing just shows the common ignorance about what feminism means to most people who identify with that label so there is little point in going into that.

15 Jan 12, 1:12 PM
wildwest
UK(N), 14 mths

wonderer wrote:

Really? I thought it was a rather off topic

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When society is in a process of reform, there's a difficult compromise to be struck between giving free rein to visionaries and feeling constrained to move at the pace of the slowest. Progress is helped by having a generous attitude to non-conformists and creative people. It is very sad though that at times it seems necessary to quite literally have to keep it "in the closet". There are sadly pockets of intolerance in society, and individuals who tend to lash out, even when legislation is inclusive and tolerant of diversity.

I don't think there are easy answers. Society is in a painfully slow process of becoming more accepting and tolerant of diversity.

Hey yeah the conversation did go a bit off topic to my post lol but then I everyone has their own opinions and I did ask if anyone had any other strong views, they certainly have!

I like your last paragraph. Yes I suppose progress does move slowly sometimes, having to take account to conservatives etc. But it definitely is a shame that so many men have to keep their feminine sides in the closet, which was sort of my main point really I guess. Sometimes I like to challenge that intolerance but it does get tiresome at times and often I'll just wear "conservative" male clothes to avoid the drama!

But anyway thanks for your intelligent reply.

15 Jan 12, 1:22 PM
wildwest
UK(N), 14 mths

ConsciousnessJunkie wrote:
But we don't get equal rights to wear men's clothes.

When I "boy up" I get all sorts of abuse thrown at me,

Don't confuse being able to wear female cut versions of men's clothes as being the same as being accepted to dress and be whoever you want to be.

I'm not being confused. Your right in that you don't get EQUAL rights to wear men's clothes, but you most definitely get MORE rights!

Just think..... how many women do you see wearing trousers? And how many men do you see wearing dresses or skirts!!!!!?????

I definitely think 100% that women have more opportunity to wear masculine clothes than men have to wear women's clothes. That doesn't mean that I'm saying that women are TOTALLY free to wear what they want. Just that they are MORE free.

If you get all sorts of abuse thats not nice either and I'm sorry to hear that. In which case then we should understand each other a little and I wish you the best of luck.

Me saying that I want more freedom for men to express their feminine sides doesn't mean that I also don't feel for women who struggle against sexism and get put down when they try to follow traditional "masculine" pursuits or dress. Me wanting more rights for men is not at the expense of women, after all what harm is it to women if I wear "female" clothes?

15 Jan 12, 1:28 PM
wildwest
UK(N), 14 mths

cara_ddrygau wrote:
Without much fuss? In comprehensive school we had to wear above knee length skirts. The male teachers kept staring. We wanted to wear trousers. We had to campaign for a year to get them.

In gym, most girls had to wear a netball skirt with gym knickers underneath. Not the most appropriate clothing. Did they change it? Nope...

Women still wear burkas, headscarves. Geishas still dress as...,well geishas. Trousers. This is the only difference, what we've got as a clothing choice besides men. One item.

It's not as simple as it's being made out.

This seems to be turning a little into a point scoring exercise. I never said that women where totally free to wear what they want simply that if your a western women in Britain your more free.

You had to campaign for a year to be able to wear trousers did you. Do you not admit that its easier for women to wear trousers than men to wear skirts?

15 Jan 12, 1:31 PM
wildwest
UK(N), 14 mths

simply_sub_lime wrote:
I count a number of transvestites among my friends, have been to a club with one, been out socially with another who was actually in a skirt, heels, full make up, whilst I was effectively in "male" dress mode of trousers, flat shoes (quite unintentionally, just what I generally wear). Yet another whom I have yet to go out with either to a club or shopping but planning on doing so, and another whom I have yet to meet but have been chatting with for a very long time.

If I have one suggestion as to how other Tv's can improve how they are regarded, it is to take the time to learn these things.

I think it is a lot to do with how comfortable you are with yourself and confidence. I have a lot of time for the people you have described. They are the people that will change public opinion for the better as were the early feminists and gay men/lesbians who went out as themselves and changed public opinion on those issues

15 Jan 12, 1:42 PM
wildwest
UK(N), 14 mths

Souci_X wrote:
I feel that men should be able to wear whatever they want to wear, I think people like Izzard could be the making of that, though he does experience insult and bigotry the mass opinion seems to be good on him. I loved him on the big fat quiz of the year, and how someone said 'you are not a real transvestite'. I think that is the crux really isn't it. A kilt is seen as hyper manly.

Its the same with all things, people take time to adjust. When it is an element that is changed people cope easier with it, a bit of black eye liner on a man and people barely bat an eyelid.

Women do have a greater choice of clothes to wear, but as has been said there is a difference between a woman wearing trousers and a woman dressing as a man.

The feminist bashing just shows the common ignorance about what feminism means to most people who identify with that label so there is little point in going into that.

Thanks for the balanced reply. I like your point about changing just one element, if I go out as just a man with eyeliner on I get a bit of curiousity but its a lot less than if I go out with full make up. Because as a man I've acted/dressed quite masculine for most of my life I've found it easier on friends/family if I change slowly and give people time to adapt

There has been quite a few angry replies from men and women defending their sex and the huge prejudices they face. Can we not just accept that in many ways women and men do get discriminated against but that doesn't mean we have to stop feeling for the other sex and the struggles they can face too? It doesn't mean we have to hate each other.

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