Pain (17)

What i mean is can anything terrible happen from increased levels of pain? If everything else is 'safe' and might result in bruising, or burning or whatever, but the pain is "unbearable" will it do owt to you? Could you, in the most extreme of cases, die from being in pain?

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but i believe and only my thought's that they had not time to recover themselve's proply before running up the rigging again,

they also had 4 hours on four our's off if memory serve's so whilst the conditions were quite different admitadly,

there are case's where this had been so.

Please excuse crap spelling cause i,m rubbish

I'm not a medical person but I believe it can cause a person to go into shock in extreme cases.

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From my interpretation of the OP and continuing the phone theme, the human body, nervous system and brain is like a switchboard. You can have many calls coming in at once. None of which are important. Then, you might have one or two on the 'Hotline' or '999'.

I think that pain is something that should never be ignored, but certainly understood.

If pain exceeds a 'threshold', it does so for a reason.

Can pain itself do damage? I would suggest not, as it's just a message being interpreted by the brain. More exposure to pain results in desensitisation. Damage is at the source of the pain. That's how it works.

To increase how much pain is being felt, we can either add more areas or add to the threat of damage. I don't know of any other way to do it and I'm sure that if the brain is saying that the pain is at a level that is intolerable, then it has calculated the level of harm likely to be being done and wishes it to cease.

I'm not saying it would or saying that any harm would come of it.

It varies from person to person.

Anyway... This his what I believe. I'm not sure that I'm right, but I haven't any recollection of causing lasting harm.

I do agree. But surely this response is an extension of the flight or fight response? Having exhausted the possibilities, the body shuts down, to protect itself.

Is this any different to subspace?

Yes.

Pain does not exist in isolation. It is part of a broader physiological response to a stimulus.

Exposure to persistently high levels of these chemicals over an extended time is known to be damaging to your health and well being, lowering immune response etc. The various physiological effects of the stress response could also precipitate already potentiated health problems, such as cardiac or respiratory arrest.

Extended pain would lead to physical and mental exhaustion, although the bodies protective measure of fainting would generally kick in before death.

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Pain itself cannot damage or kill us... I recall my Mum asking a doctor this when she had a burst appendix and the answer was definately no!

The telephone analogy for pain is good and the most common form of pain is to alert us to injury.. But the nervous system can sometimes create a 'pain memory' and so we can continue to feel pain even when the damage is repaired -think phantom limb syndrome. The phone is on redial even though there is no cause for the call. You're appraisal of the pain (or the cause of it) also has alot to do with how much is experienced. So if you're worrying that pain will harm you at the time of experiencing it, and is therefore seen as threatening, it will probably feel stronger!

Shock is part of the fight flight response, but if you were freaked out enough by the pain -in theory - you could go into shock..... but you would need to be very seriously freaked out for that to happen!

These would include: Reflex movement away from the stimulus - which can be overcome in a D/s setting, but damn it's hard to do.

Flooding the body with endorphins - the buzzy stuff when CP play goes right. they're natural painkillers designed to help you survive dangerous situation by allowing you to function even when in pain.

Clinical shock - reducing blood flow to the extremities (it stopped your ancestors "bleeding out" so they survived to breed you)

These mechanisms help to explain why after pain play, some physical aftercare can be important - with reduced blood flow, you may feel dizzy, or cold. A blanket and a sweet drink can help your body get back to normal.

The only way I can think of in which these effects might be dangerous is if you try to walk around whilst in shock, and fall due to reduced blood supply to the brain (fainting) - or you try to drive whilst you still have a load of endorphins rushing around your body and make judgement errors.

As for sailors who died from floggings - I can only guess. One possibility is that the effects lasted longer because of blood loss and they died either from clinical shock, accidents due to fainting, or infection. The most likely thing on that timescale though would be a ruptured spleen caused by heavy impacts in the lower back/midriff area, causing them to die due to slow internal bleeding. It's incredibly difficult to diagnose (It was a key factor in my sister's death last year after a fall). That's why we learn to avoid hitting people between their ribs and pelvis. It's not the pain that caused the deaths.

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I've never had to safeword due to the physical pain being too much but I have a feeling that my body and general manner gives off signals that at least communicate that it's bordering on being too much and I guess that this is something that can be responded to as necessary.

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