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Fri 30 Dec 11, 9:41 AM
Lady_Anna_Bradford
UK(BD), 5 yrs

Stefano_Birdofprey wrote:
Lady_Anna_Bradford wrote:

Another common misconception. *sigh*

Poppers do not impair judgement. Poppers are not analgesics. Poppers are not mind altering. Poppers do not stay in your system for very long at all.

Poppers affect your physiology; lowers your blood pressure, relaxes smooth muscle, and increases your heart rate.

Poppers are nothing like alcohol, speed, coke, etc etc. The effect of poppers lasts a couple of minutes at the very most.

Anna, I'm here to learn and improve. I'll be glad if you, or anyone else, might help me clear my mind from common misconceptions.

In which way affecting someone's physiology during BDSM play is "less" important/dangerous? How well we know what kind of reactions it has on that specific subject's physiology, in relation with his actual health and past health history?

I never said it was less important or dangerous, but it is important not to confuse poppers with alcohol or other drugs. Poppers don't stay in your system, as other drugs do so they don't impair your perception or your ability to choose to consent or withdraw consent.

In answer to your second question, we don't. We rely on the sub telling us his health as he knows it. Anyone who administers or uses poppers should know the risks and should be aware of any warning signs and should never ever overdose trying to achieve the biggest effect they can (it doesn't work anyway). When I use poppers I also use an oximeter that monitors SPO2 and BPM so I can keep an eye on what is happening as well as checking for visual signs such as flushing and heat in the head. Outside of these checks I take the risk that something else could happen. I use quality poppers only and I monitor where possible. I reduce the risks where I can and I accept the risks I can't control. I believe in RACK.

Stefano_Birdofprey wrote:

And how many minutes must an effect last in order to be considered potentially dangerous or even life threatening? would you use popper while whipping or suspending someone? will you let them use it while doing those things? what if his altered physiology, affects the way he/her perceives his/hers body reaction to pain or nerve pinching or blood flow or breathing?

We're talking about poppers. Unless the sub is already at death's door or has ignored all health advice and taken Viagra (or similar) against this advice, then there is very little risk. I also make sure that Viagra hasn't been taken. I assume other Dom/mes do too. If I have any doubt I don't use poppers. I never let them have control over their own. That is asking for trouble.

Personally no, I wouldn't use poppers for whipping and suspending as I do neither of these activities. I would never allow poppers on someone who was upright where bondage prevented them from falling into a necessary faint (which btw can result in unintentional falling injuries). I always use where the sub is lay down to prevent fainting and subsequent injuries.

As I have already said poppers do not affect someone so much that they are unable to be aware of what is happening to them, if anything poppers make them more aware and more sensitive because of the increase in circulation of oxygen laden blood. This is one of the reasons why people enjoy poppers: because of the heightened state of awareness (albeit only for a minute or so).

Stefano_Birdofprey wrote:

You talk of lowering blood pressure or increasing heart beat as if they were simple things that might not create a "butterfly effect". Are we "that" prepared to this kind of medical emergencies? WHat if the person has already low blood pressure and has a vagal crisis? (my dad died in my arms because of a vagal crisis, so I know what kind of shit I'm talking about).

To me it seems that it's just adding an external unpredictable factor to the equation.

In Italy popper is listed among drugs. Thus, for example, there's no difference, at least from a legal point of view, if you drive after sniffing coke or popper. if they catch you, you're in big trouble (even if you don't cause any incident, which just would worsen your situation).

As I have said before there is a risk if the person isn't healthy but that is a tiny risk that we are prepared to take. Poppers are not the only risk in BDSM. There are many, many risks and focussing on one little brown bottle seems like a disproportional representation of 'risk'.

If you are not prepared to take the risk, then fine, that is entirely your prerogative but that doesn't make the rest of us wrong or dangerous.

We talk about risk because it would be naive and foolhardy to say 'there is no risk'. Nobody can say there is 'no risk at all'. Statistically your play partner is more likely to kill himself on your stairs than die during play. Only a very few subs are stupid or selfish enough to play knowing there is a risk that they haven't informed you about.

As I have said before poppers are in your system for minutes at most. By the time you have got dressed, said your goodbyes and put your seat belt on then the poppers have loooooooooong gone. They'd gone before you found your other sock. Coke, alcohol etc etc stay in your system for hours.

If however you are sniffing poppers whilst driving then yeah, I would hope that the authorities would deal with you appropriately for being such an asshat.

As an aside, if anyone does use recreational drugs during play then that is up to them. There is no one true way in BDSM. As long as both/all parties are consenting and responsible then what is the problem?

"If no sexual offence is being committed it seems very odd indeed that there should be an offence for having an image of something which was not an offence," Lord Wallace of Tankerness

30 Dec 11, 10:13 AM
Beau_Tox
UK(CB), 7 yrs


Stefano_Birdofprey wrote:
I'm not a moron, but if I decide to drink, if I'm not able to drive, then I consider myself not able to play.

But when you're driving, you're in charge of a steel box weighing a ton which can kill people. It is illegal for the protection of yourself and other road users.

If you're doing BDSM play and you feel that you're in danger of killing someone with a flogger or a paddle after a couple of drinks, you may have a bit of a problem with your aim.

Perhaps try to avoid the head during paddling scenes, it will tend to make things safer for you and your play partners. Same with floggers - people don't like it if you hit them in the ear or the eye with the falls.

But YKIOK, so long as your play partners like that kind of thing.

We really like cheese, we like Zeppelins. WE LIKE THE MOON!

30 Dec 11, 12:58 PM
the_7th_soul
IT, 9 mths
may i ask what's the purpose of using popper? is it because the receiving end would be losing his sensitivity to the pain for minutes? i dont think that popper could influence psychologically an individual. i am really courious about that, but rather than try it myself would be more effective to hear from those who did.
30 Dec 11, 1:05 PM
Beau_Tox
UK(CB), 7 yrs


the_7th_soul wrote:
may i ask what's the purpose of using popper? is it because the receiving end would be losing his sensitivity to the pain for minutes? i dont think that popper could influence psychologically an individual. i am really courious about that, but rather than try it myself would be more effective to hear from those who did.

You know that thing you used to do as kids of bending forward with your hands on your knees, as if about to get leapfrogged, and beathe in and out as fast as you can before taking a massive breath as you stand up really fast? Well it does that. For about 20 or 30 seconds.

"Oooo bugger me, I'm mildly dizzy and I can hear my blood in my ears. Oh, and now I have a headache. Great."

Yes, it's pure rock'n'roll in a little brown bottle. Or pergaps not.

We really like cheese, we like Zeppelins. WE LIKE THE MOON!

30 Dec 11, 1:13 PM
valleyrose17
UK(BS), 2 yrs
You REALLY did that? I never heard of that one when I was little. Bugger!!

Beau_Tox wrote:
the_7th_soul wrote:
may i ask what's the purpose of using popper? is it because the receiving end would be losing his sensitivity to the pain for minutes? i dont think that popper could influence psychologically an individual. i am really courious about that, but rather than try it myself would be more effective to hear from those who did.

You know that thing you used to do as kids of bending forward with your hands on your knees, as if about to get leapfrogged, and beathe in and out as fast as you can before taking a massive breath as you stand up really fast? Well it does that. For about 20 or 30 seconds.

"Oooo bugger me, I'm mildly dizzy and I can hear my blood in my ears. Oh, and now I have a headache. Great."

Yes, it's pure rock'n'roll in a little brown bottle. Or pergaps not.

"Fear is that little darkroom where negatives are developed" Michael Pritchard
"Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall in love with a gorgeous redhead" - Lucille Ball

30 Dec 11, 1:23 PM
the_7th_soul
IT, 9 mths
Beau_Tox wrote:
the_7th_soul wrote:
may i ask what's the purpose of using popper? is it because the receiving end would be losing his sensitivity to the pain for minutes? i dont think that popper could influence psychologically an individual. i am really courious about that, but rather than try it myself would be more effective to hear from those who did.

You know that thing you used to do as kids of bending forward with your hands on your knees, as if about to get leapfrogged, and beathe in and out as fast as you can before taking a massive breath as you stand up really fast? Well it does that. For about 20 or 30 seconds.

"Oooo bugger me, I'm mildly dizzy and I can hear my blood in my ears. Oh, and now I have a headache. Great."

Yes, it's pure rock'n'roll in a little brown bottle. Or pergaps not.

WOW... it doesnt look to me to be even worth a try.. ;)

30 Dec 11, 1:50 PM
abbo27
UK(BS), 9 yrs
Beau_Tox wrote:
the_7th_soul wrote:
may i ask what's the purpose of using popper? is it because the receiving end would be losing his sensitivity to the pain for minutes? i dont think that popper could influence psychologically an individual. i am really courious about that, but rather than try it myself would be more effective to hear from those who did.

You know that thing you used to do as kids of bending forward with your hands on your knees, as if about to get leapfrogged, and beathe in and out as fast as you can before taking a massive breath as you stand up really fast? Well it does that. For about 20 or 30 seconds.

"Oooo bugger me, I'm mildly dizzy and I can hear my blood in my ears. Oh, and now I have a headache. Great."

Yes, it's pure rock'n'roll in a little brown bottle. Or pergaps not.

At my school there was the added twist of a squeeze of the chest which caused you to actually pass out for a brief moment. Probably very dangerous or at least that's what they told us in assemblies.

Poppers became the subject of discussion at a soiree I was at recently, and a friend had us all mildly shocked, when he told us, when he did the gay club scene in a big way, he would do so much poppers he would briefly go blind, which he explained as a good thing!

30 Dec 11, 3:14 PM
Beau_Tox
UK(CB), 7 yrs


abbo27 wrote:
At my school there was the added twist of a squeeze of the chest which caused you to actually pass out for a brief moment. Probably very dangerous or at least that's what they told us in assemblies.

Poppers became the subject of discussion at a soiree I was at recently, and a friend had us all mildly shocked, when he told us, when he did the gay club scene in a big way, he would do so much poppers he would briefly go blind, which he explained as a good thing!

LOL We used to do the chest squeeze as well - partly to make sure people were caught if they passed out. :-)

I've never heard of doing poppers til you go blind though! Fuck me, what was he doing, drinking the stuff..?!??

We really like cheese, we like Zeppelins. WE LIKE THE MOON!

30 Dec 11, 3:55 PM
rubberroy
UK(TN), 6 yrs
I thought it was wanking that made you go blind according to my grammy.

Supplier of classic motor omnibuses for weddings and all sorts of events in the south of England.

30 Dec 11, 4:43 PM
strokes321
UK(M), 2 yrs

abbo27 wrote:
Beau_Tox wrote:
the_7th_soul wrote:
may i ask what's the purpose of using popper? is it because the receiving end would be losing his sensitivity to the pain for minutes? i dont think that popper could influence psychologically an individual. i am really courious about that, but rather than try it myself would be more effective to hear from those who did.

You know that thing you used to do as kids of bending forward with your hands on your knees, as if about to get leapfrogged, and beathe in and out as fast as you can before taking a massive breath as you stand up really fast? Well it does that. For about 20 or 30 seconds.

"Oooo bugger me, I'm mildly dizzy and I can hear my blood in my ears. Oh, and now I have a headache. Great."

Yes, it's pure rock'n'roll in a little brown bottle. Or pergaps not.

At my school there was the added twist of a squeeze of the chest which caused you to actually pass out for a brief moment. Probably very dangerous or at least that's what they told us in assemblies.

Poppers became the subject of discussion at a soiree I was at recently, and a friend had us all mildly shocked, when he told us, when he did the gay club scene in a big way, he would do so much poppers he would briefly go blind, which he explained as a good thing!

Ahh the Harvey wallbanger :) We used to give a blowback of weed first then a couple would push your chest in against a wall until you either passed out or you chest cavity caved in.

Nearly as much fun as Death square, the sheer joy of touching the wall when 15 lads have kicked fuck out of you was hard to beat :).

30 Dec 11, 6:41 PM
abbo27
UK(BS), 9 yrs
Beau_Tox wrote:
abbo27 wrote:
At my school there was the added twist of a squeeze of the chest which caused you to actually pass out for a brief moment. Probably very dangerous or at least that's what they told us in assemblies.

Poppers became the subject of discussion at a soiree I was at recently, and a friend had us all mildly shocked, when he told us, when he did the gay club scene in a big way, he would do so much poppers he would briefly go blind, which he explained as a good thing!

LOL We used to do the chest squeeze as well - partly to make sure people were caught if they passed out. :-)

I've never heard of doing poppers til you go blind though! Fuck me, what was he doing, drinking the stuff..?!??

He did like his pharmaceuticals in a big way!

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