Shock Collars (52)

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Agreed.

" the skin has a non-linear impedance in relation to potential and over 1000V, impedance can be surprisingly low "

My understanding is that at those voltages, the bulk resistance can be as low as a few ohms. But, again, I would stress that the current path is highly significant. Most of these devices have electrodes placed only a few centimetres apart, which will inflict severe local pain but will not pass significant current through the central body mass.

// there is also usually an oscillator involved so I wouldn't be surprised if you could induce problems with cardiac rhythm. //

To get step-up with a low-mass transformer the frequency is going to be relatively high, and the critical frequency for VF is around 56 Hz. Transformers which operate in that range are impractically bulky and heavy for a wearable device delivering any useful amount of energy.

// it would almost certainly have to be by deliberate action or design //

Indeed. But since such devices are intended to deliver a non-lethal shock to a dog where the body mass is typically significantly less than an adult human, I would assert that the consequences of harm under normal conditions to a HEALTHY adult human from such a unit are minimal.

We've all got to die of something; if it's (and this is IMPORTANT) consensual, I personally don't see the risk as being any greater than (for example) breath play etc., which admittedly I know very little about.

There are many aspects of BDSM that can go wrong and cause harm.

Yes, but the question was not of whether it was likely - it isn't - but whether it was possible, which it seemingly is.

Well, Taser seem to manage fairly near that frequency, not sure what circuit layout they use though. I've managed to find decent specs on their X26 device.

It appears to be labelled X26 as the output is in the region of 26W. Anyway, the important part is the 50kV is not what's used when discharging into the body but rather <6kV and probably more around 1500V ad it delivers 19 pulses sec^-1 over 5secs with each pulse looking rather similar to a sinc function (which is quite telling).

In any instance, 56Hz may be an optimal frequency for causing VF but that is not to say it is the only frequency that will cause it... the heart does not conform to an ideal tuned circuit. Nor is VF the only manner in which electricity can cause cardiac problems, or for that matter cause injury.

So in lieu of finding more genearlised examples, are we willing to concede that one *can* build a circuit that runs off bog-standard batteries that is capable of causing injury?

That is precisely the reason I distinguished between the two scenarios and already stated that it would be highly unlikely for one of these shock collars to cause an injury.

The question of whether it is *possible* to cause damage from suitable batteries in certain types of circuit is a different question, and yes, it is possible if one builds circuit for that purpose.

Oh, I definitely agree on that respect: we're more likely to die from suicide or a road accident by several orders of magnitude as compared against a BDSM related incident.

However, the leopard999's statement was that it is possible to cause injury with suitable batteries and a circuit, different from the OP.

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It is surely very very likely however, that domestic fatalities listed will only include a fraction, a minimal number of deaths attributed to BDSM.

Natural causes, strokes, heart attacks, sudden death in sleep, you name it..you are more likely to die in your own bed than in a Dungeon.

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I have all kinds of fancy electrics including remote controlled for my fun, but yesterday I purchased a generic brand Fetish Fantasy series Shock Therapy Cock Cage recommended by a gay guy who runs a BDSM shop, and it was actually surprisngly good for a cheap 60 pound device. (Me having previously spent literally a thousand pounds on various other electrics equipment). It wraps around the cock in leather with metal studs, attached to a cord rather than completeley remote controlled like my other unit. And is reversible so you can use the handpiece, reverse the current, and put it underneath the testicles or anywhere. Brilliant! Gay BDSM guys always seem to have great tips. It's a stereotype I know, but it holds.

Although its probably aimed at entry and mid level players its a great little unit-Honour currently have it on offer at a very sensible price (their part number X2467)