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External Hard Drive formatting questions?? (19)

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20 Dec 11, 7:31 PM
MisterBear
UK(WA), 8 yrs


Just get a drive and plug it in and copy a file to it, then go to the other computer and see if you can see the file and copy it off. Then copy another file to the drive and then go back to the first computer and see if you can get the file off it. If you can then yer sorted. If not, get back to us and then we'll worry about it.

And if you want a cheap way to see what works then try a pen drive you can get an 8GB one for about £7 or a 32GB for £18.

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Edited 20 Dec 11, 7:38 PM by MisterBear

20 Dec 11, 7:58 PM
geek_love
2 yrs
http://www.applesprite.com/blog/2011/03/20/share...

Not seen this before, has anyone used exfat formatted drives?

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20 Dec 11, 8:14 PM
MisterBear
UK(WA), 8 yrs


geek_love wrote:
http://www.applesprite.com/blog/2011/03/20/share...

Not seen this before, has anyone used exfat formatted drives?

Not needed it yet, but might try it one day.

Anyway another option would be to partition the drive and then have NTFS and HFS on their own partitions and then you can write Mac files to one and PC files to the other if there is any problem. Probably best to create the partitions on a Mac.

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Edited 20 Dec 11, 8:15 PM by MisterBear

21 Dec 11, 2:59 AM
SlutLesley
UK(G), 4 yrs

MacDrive is a good solution. It will allow your PC to format,read and write Mac formatted drives, And cut any complications on the Mac machine, where you just plug and go. It formats the drive in a format known as HFS+, which will only be readable by Mac's, or PC's with macdrive installed. (IE a PC without macdrive cant read it)

You could format the drive using FAT32 - Although I'm not sure how compatible this is with Mac OS X. The limitations you have here, is you can't save a file larger than 4GB, and if using windows XP, you can't make a partition any larger than 32GB. You can format a large drive with a third party utility, like Partition Magic, larger than 32GB in XP, and XP will read and write to it once it's created. The upper limit for a FAT32 partition is about 8TB or 8192GB.

Hope this helps. :-)

L x

Edited - cos @Geek_Love correctly pointed out that the file size limit in FAT32 is 4GB, not 2GB as I originally stated. :-)

Edited 21 Dec 11, 7:34 AM by SlutLesley

21 Dec 11, 9:27 AM
Top_Class
UK(GU), 2 yrs

No internet required - a NAS drive comes with a small length of network cable, plug one end into the drive and the other into the Ethernet port of the PC (or a spare port on your router). A WiFi NAS drive does it all truly in the 'ether' provided your PC/router is WiFi-capable too.

eg, 1TB Verbatim NAS (has 1xGigabit ethernet port and 2xUSB v2 ports. Compatible with XP, Vista, Windows 7, MacOS and Linux. Use USB ports to add extra hard-drives/pen-drives to the NAS to share someone else's non-compatible hard-drive/pen-drive with your Mac. Plug the NAS drive into your router instead of your PC and anyone on your house network can use it be they running Windoze, Linux or Mac. Take the drive somewhere else and do it all again with someone else's PC or in someone else's home network. It's DLNA compliant too - Digital Living Network Alliance - so you don't need to always use a PC to access media stored on it, any DLNA compliant playing device can).

Whichever solution you chose you'll have to sort out for yourself compatibility of application-level data between PC systems as files which work great on a Mac won't necessarily be usable on a Windows and vice-versa. What most of these posts in this thread are nattering on about is how files are stored in file-systems rather than what any given file contains. NAS cures filesystem-level woes. Compatibility between the data in files and the applications trying to use the data remains the responsibility of the owner/operator and is a whole different kettle of ball-game..

Persia_Porsche wrote:
Top_Class wrote:
Use Network Attached Storage (NAS) ... external drive with an ethernet or WiFi interface instead of USB (for many enclosures it's as-well-as instead of instead of).

MacWorld Guide to NAS for Mac users.

Data is exchanged between a PC and the NAS drive using network protocols so no one has to worry about the letters 'F', 'A', 'T' (in no particular order) or 'E', 'X', 'T' or 'N', 'T', 'F', 'S'. The PC converts from its format to network format and then the drive converts from network format to its own disk format all by itself. Neither end needs to know a blind thing about the other end's data format.

Yes, thanks.

However it's to be used at home to download on my pc and then taken regularly to another address,with limited internet access, to be used with a mac.

So not sure this sort of thing would be suitable (?)

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22 Dec 11, 9:01 AM
Persia_Porsche
UK(EH), 3 yrs
Ok thanks for all the helpful comments and advice all, it's appreciated. :)

I shall take it away and attempt to find the best solution.

x

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22 Dec 11, 5:15 PM
bohnanza
UK(FK), 12 yrs

Top_Class wrote:
No internet required - a NAS drive comes with a small length of network cable, plug one end into the drive and the other into the Ethernet port of the PC (or a spare port on your router). A WiFi NAS drive does it all truly in the 'ether' provided your PC/router is WiFi-capable too.

Whichever solution you chose you'll have to sort out for yourself compatibility of application-level data between PC systems as files which work great on a Mac won't necessarily be usable on a Windows and vice-versa. What most of these posts in this thread are nattering on about is how files are stored in file-systems rather than what any given file contains. NAS cures filesystem-level woes. Compatibility between the data in files and the applications trying to use the data remains the responsibility of the owner/operator and is a whole different kettle of ball-game..

Persia_Porsche wrote:
Top_Class wrote:
Use Network Attached Storage (NAS) ... external drive with an ethernet or WiFi interface instead of USB (for many enclosures it's as-well-as instead of instead of).

MacWorld Guide to NAS for Mac users.

Data is exchanged between a PC and the NAS drive using network protocols so no one has to worry about the letters 'F', 'A', 'T' (in no particular order) or 'E', 'X', 'T' or 'N', 'T', 'F', 'S'. The PC converts from its format to network format and then the drive converts from network format to its own disk format all by itself. Neither end needs to know a blind thing about the other end's data format.

Yes, thanks.

However it's to be used at home to download on my pc and then taken regularly to another address,with limited internet access, to be used with a mac.

So not sure this sort of thing would be suitable (?)

NAS is not a suitable answer because:

a) It is an over expensive way to move files

b) The problem isn't sharing data, it is transferring data.

Running applications on both machines was never a worry. The problem is:

1) Media files are downloaded on a Windows machine connected to the Internet.

2) They then have to be transferred to a Mac without an Internet connection.

That is all, no networking of data, running applications or whatever.

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22 Dec 11, 8:40 PM
pod333
UK(DD), 6 yrs
According to this article:

http://techqa.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/can-mac-r...

Macs can read NTFS OK, but not write them.

So if you just want to save the files on a Windows PC and only read them on a Mac, then you can simple format your drive using windows the "easy way" from explorer (go to 'My Computer' and right-click on the external drive, then choose 'Format...') etc.

Bollocks spoken like an real expert.

23 Dec 11, 4:16 AM
ocimum_sanctum
UK(EH), 2 yrs
Persia_Porsche wrote:
I want to get an external hard drive to use for downloads, however it's for downloading using my pc using windows and to pass on to be used/watched with a mac book.

Looking them up online I've discovered that they need to be formatted either for windows or for mac (usually say ready for windows )

It seems that my pc won't be able to read a drive formatted for mac, and mac will be able to read but not write to a drive that has been formatted for pc NTFS. (Is this right so far?)

So does that mean I can either -

1. Format to NTFS and then he can use with his mac but not write (this option isn't really practical).

2. Download and install MacDrive on my pc which will enable it to read the drive formatted for the mac. (does this option mean I could download using my pc straight onto the hard drive formatted for mac? or have I completely lost the plot!)

Trying to work out the easiest/most sensible option (and if option 2 is the best, can I format for mac on my pc?)

Meh, depending on your router (i.e. if it will act as a reasonable ethernet switch/hub), it may be easier to keep the external hdd connected to the pc and create a file share with the appropriate directory... despite my disdain for all that is apple, I'd assume a macbook will mount a SMB/CIFS service (if it can't, feel free to use it as a convenient door-stop).

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