Sun 18 Dec 11, 1:13 PM
MisstressvsSolicedog
UK(NN), 17 mths
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there yer go ! Please excuse crap spelling cause i,m rubbish
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18 Dec 11, 3:12 PM
Top_Class
UK(GU), 2 yrs
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(The post I'm replying to is transcribed from the original thread below.)
There is a huge difference between unalterable physical characteristics however they're obtained (by genetics and/or by trauma) and conditions arising from self-abuse (no tittering) or self-neglect.
We are animals who think and talk.
The genetics which gives us our height or hair and skin colours gives us a metabolic system designed for and subconscious drive to prepare for periods of famine whenever there are periods of plenty. Us modern, Western animals never have periods of famine and because many of us never do much more moving than to waddle into some form of mechanised transport the continuous act of laying down more personal energy reserves means out of control animal desires drives people to become too fat.
Don't blame the food, its manufacturers, advertisers or purveyors when it's you who is sticking it in your gob when you know what the deal is. If genetics or trauma means you don't know what the deal is then that's where a caring society should help. But I for one do not relish handing over my money via tax to pay for people who knowingly over-indulge and then expect the state to help them out. If I were running the country then the best help the knowing-over-indulgers would get is to spend some time outside the Western larder doing International community service in Dadaab.
Literacy (and numeracy) has the same argument available. The West lays on schooling in these basic skills for a minimum of 11 years. You move into an adult environment and then are pulled up on accepted conventions/standards of writing when you perform badly. In private enterprise there is no right-to-work-even-though-my-literacy-is-poor. It's you who must raise or your game or choose to be excluded. Web-sites which allow slackness in literacy could just become enclaves for the socially excluded who all can muddle through together on their benefits while telling anyone who shows any interest in raising literacy standards to fuc of.
Xmastressvsdog wrote:
Top_Class wrote:
The site defends its own ... lovely ... you get rid of people you don't like by hounding them off the site but there is no bullying on IC (once they've gone, hey?). The people who remain fit in with the true purpose of the site, don't upset its apple cart and know what their duty is when another black sheep (coloured sheep? or rainbow sheep?) comes along.
No surprises here - IC behaves like any tribe clustered around its binding beliefs, unwritten, but inherited generation to generation. In this crowd the right to write badly is faithfully protected so the right to help people improve their writing skills doesn't exist. In this crowd the right to be clinically obese is faithfully protected so the right to help people to a healthier lifestyle doesn't exist. By nature this is self-propagating - the 'crowd' on IC favours over-weight people and people with poor written skills who in turn favour over-weight people and people with poor written skills.
Funnily enough what springs to mind is a parody of the Lord of the Flies.
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there are many with and without weight issue's and many with spelling and grammar issue's,
i had a wonderfull near fatal accident that lost me memory and all sorts of stuff needing to relearn most,,
so when some trollope walk's up and seriously starts banging into my grammar puncuation etc i,m talking in serious sense ,,
to me they are not being cleaver helpfull etc because they know 'f**k' all of how arrived at this state,,
the memory although vastly improved will fail even between writing a paragraph,,
now having come from a point of excellent health spelling memory,,, it can seriously tit me off,, to be honest,
Now when we talk about weight issue's OH is so easy to crap on about losting wieght,, but the issue is somwhat wider than simplistic answer's,,
even when you take account of our near unregulated food industry that still allow's use of hydrogenated fat's in food,s,,
then theres is pycological issue's to people being wieghty etc etc etc,,
so when people wade in because all they can see is what's in front of their face rather than understanding we are a diverse community and accepting it,,
they choose to dig at those they see that they cab 'help' by putting em down,,
dosent take a lot of thought really
I think you have'nt grasped some of the 'problem' giving advice when asked is good advice,,
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"Fork handles?"
"No, not 'fork handles' ... four candles."
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18 Dec 11, 3:58 PM
MisstressvsSolicedog
UK(NN), 17 mths
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TC i agree with aspects of what you say but feel you are not takeing in the whole picture and in reply nor am i,,
Xmastressvsdog wrote:
Sorry but the amount of people who are predisposed to being large due to many reason's,,
ignore them if you will but you are choosing to ignore fact,,
the food industry has been and continue's to chuck 100's of ton's of non digestable food into the food chain,,
the years after the secound world war were of austerity so when food become more generaly available people 'fed' more and demanded more,, a natural consquence of the effect's from the war,,
those children fed better on the hydrodgenise fat's were and are less likly to fare well at school because those fat's inhibit the mind as well as the body in dealing with them ,,
this is known very well known,, also we have and are coming out of the 'fat' baby is a healthy baby syndrom somthing bred into society at large,,
now they found that is wrong,,,
when a couple copulate at a time when food is plentifull the child will be geneticly predesposed to being large and eating more,,
this has recently been discovered,, somthing that was patently bloody obvious in my view for year's,
Yes people would be better off eating what they need rather than everything put in front of them,,
people who don't re-act to bullying get bulled more before left alone,, weak people who defend themselves against bullies tend to get stomped,,
choosing to endless point out to people they are A B or C of problem's and here is a solution,, rather than helpfull advice when asked for is a form of bullying,
there are a great many reason why people do not do well at school,,,
some are because of food as mentioned,, some are because of bullying some are because teachers are poor teacher's,,
their are those who do well at school who don't bother earning a living as those who did not do well and have created company's,,
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Please excuse crap spelling cause i,m rubbish
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18 Dec 11, 4:02 PM
ClassAct2005
UK(N), 7 yrs
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TC is right that most of them are fat because they eat the wrong foods and too much food. That doesn't mean it's easy. What people need to realise though is that things ilke how we dress, speak, spell, look and indeed our competence at work and social skills have a major impact on how we cope with life, get promotion at work and find partners.
Fwer people want the obese illiterate. Thus if he can slim himself down to a normal weight and learn to write he might well find he gets a better job and women flock to him.
It does no one any good not least our children to pat them on the head as they stuff in another donut or get their school work wrong and tell them how wonderful they are as it's not like that out there in the work place and when trying to find a woman who will put up with you. |
18 Dec 11, 6:15 PM
misunderstoodslave
UK(OL), 2 yrs |
Xmastressvsdog wrote:
What constitutes bullying ? ( 2 )
there yer go !
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There are times I hate you.
Don't agree with your definition of bullying, btw.
Weight is one of those things people without a problem don't understand. It's not bullying when people say "eat less and exercise more," it's just that they are lucky enough not to have a majorly destructive relationship with food which is rather more complex than the basic and unarguable equation of calories in v. calories out. It's their viewpoint.
I eventually sorted my recurrent obesity by having a gastric bypass when I was 41. Does anyone really think I'd have resorted to that if I didn't feel it was the only way? So I don't say anything too mean about fellow fatties (I'm by no means a stick now). But that doesn't mean to do so is necessarily bullying.
Similarly, if I occasionally let one rip about a particularly shocking grammatical error (and you are mostly exempt for the reasons you've given, although before I knew about your accident I didn't go too mad as I assumed it was dyslexia) I don't feel I'm bullying. I let so many go, too, to be nice...
I enjoyed the vicious post above about people I've never heard of though. I think that sort of thing is definitely to be encouraged, though Admin sadly never allows real childish mud-slinging to continue for long.
I think, basically, I like to be amused on IC. And a bit of cattiness can do that. Which probably makes me a bad person.
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18 Dec 11, 6:52 PM
Hatari
UK(BN), 6 yrs
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If anyone believes that a woman or a man for that matter who is obese would not like to be a,size 10 or 12 they are really wrong, (could have used other words)
Most of the women I know and have known also suffered from depression or similar illnesses. Just think what topics like this are doing to their already fragile self esteem.
I would ask that you stop digging at these people This post is my opinion, sorry if you don't agree with it or if it offends you in any way 
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18 Dec 11, 7:00 PM
MisstressvsSolicedog
UK(NN), 17 mths
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Mistletoeslave wrote:
Xmastressvsdog wrote:
What constitutes bullying ? ( 2 )
there yer go !
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There are times I hate you.
Don't agree with your definition of bullying, btw.
Weight is one of those things people without a problem don't understand. It's not bullying when people say "eat less and exercise more," it's just that they are lucky enough not to have a majorly destructive relationship with food which is rather more complex than the basic and unarguable equation of calories in v. calories out. It's their viewpoint.
I eventually sorted my recurrent obesity by having a gastric bypass when I was 41. Does anyone really think I'd have resorted to that if I didn't feel it was the only way? So I don't say anything too mean about fellow fatties (I'm by no means a stick now). But that doesn't mean to do so is necessarily bullying.
Similarly, if I occasionally let one rip about a particularly shocking grammatical error (and you are mostly exempt for the reasons you've given, although before I knew about your accident I didn't go too mad as I assumed it was dyslexia) I don't feel I'm bullying. I let so many go, too, to be nice...
I enjoyed the vicious post above about people I've never heard of though. I think that sort of thing is definitely to be encouraged, though Admin sadly never allows real childish mud-slinging to continue for long.
I think, basically, I like to be amused on IC. And a bit of cattiness can do that. Which probably makes me a bad person.
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'laughing as i type'
Well of course you would'nt because you eat the wrong food's and are ill able to actually think. further than being slung across a kitchen table and beaten to within an inch of your life,,
i mean really it's Sooo obvious,,
Why people on IC do not take the time to nessessitate gleaning the relivent information to enhance and widen their thought patten's and thus their social skill's before polluting the boards with utter contemable illinformed drivel is beyound my comprehention,,
and for the record i am never contenous nor ever ever make the mistake of insulting anyone at all,,
Please excuse crap spelling cause i,m rubbish
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18 Dec 11, 11:55 PM
misunderstoodslave
UK(OL), 2 yrs |
Hatari wrote:
If anyone believes that a woman or a man for that matter who is obese would not like to be a,size 10 or 12 they are really wrong, (could have used other words)
Most of the women I know and have known also suffered from depression or similar illnesses. Just think what topics like this are doing to their already fragile self esteem.
I would ask that you stop digging at these people
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I'm sorry, but this is both stupid and patronising. There are fat people who are perfectly happy that way, thanks, and have partners who like it too. I was never one of those but I wouldn't pretend all fatties are as upset about it as I was.
Also, just because I was fat and didn't like it didn't mean my self-esteem was fragile, or needed protecting by people like you. Jesus.
"These people"? Honestly. I feel more offended by you than I do by the folk who think that all it takes to stop being fat is a little more self-control.
Just my opinion. You should see what I shall be memoing the dog for his beastliness!!! |
19 Dec 11, 12:01 AM
Hatari
UK(BN), 6 yrs
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Mistletoeslave wrote:
Hatari wrote:
If anyone believes that a woman or a man for that matter who is obese would not like to be a,size 10 or 12 they are really wrong, (could have used other words)
Most of the women I know and have known also suffered from depression or similar illnesses. Just think what topics like this are doing to their already fragile self esteem.
I would ask that you stop digging at these people
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I'm sorry, but this is both stupid and patronising. There are fat people who are perfectly happy that way, thanks, and have partners who like it too. I was never one of those but I wouldn't pretend all fatties are as upset about it as I was.
Also, just because I was fat and didn't like it didn't mean my self-esteem was fragile, or needed protecting by people like you. Jesus.
"These people"? Honestly. I feel more offended by you than I do by the folk who think that all it takes to stop being fat is a little more self-control.
Just my opinion. You should see what I shall be memoing the dog for his beastliness!!!
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Perhaps you need to reread the post.
As you say just my opinion 
This post is my opinion, sorry if you don't agree with it or if it offends you in any way
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19 Dec 11, 12:21 AM
A_Very_Good_Girl
UK(WC), 8 mths
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ClassAct2005 wrote:
TC is right that most of them are fat because they eat the wrong foods and too much food. That doesn't mean it's easy. What people need to realise though is that things ilke how we dress, speak, spell, look and indeed our competence at work and social skills have a major impact on how we cope with life, get promotion at work and find partners.
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More classist nonsense.
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