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Knives. Buying and legality etc... (19)

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Sat 10 Dec 11, 11:18 AM
TheSilverFox*
UK(GU), 2 yrs

Hi all. Genuine seeking for info and advice. Tried knife play very recently for the first time and absolutley loved it... So I now want to purchase some suitably impressive knives. Can you still buy hunting knives in this country and are there any restrictions etc.... All advice great fully received....

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10 Dec 11, 11:28 AM
drifterboy
UK, 2 yrs
carrying knives in public place with a blade over 4" is classed as on offense you can be arrested for it if you have it on your person.
10 Dec 11, 11:49 AM
bohnanza
UK(FK), 12 yrs

http://www.bkcg.co.uk/guide/law.html

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10 Dec 11, 12:11 PM
BARNET_BASTILLE*
UK(EN), 3 yrs
You can get arrested,charged and found guilty of having a knife with a one and a half inch blade, With a one year sus/sentence.

http://www.thebarnetbastille.com

10 Dec 11, 12:16 PM
jackthecat
UK(BN), 6 yrs

Good selection on here http://www.heinnie.com/Knives/c-1-92/ very reliable and usually deliver next day.

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10 Dec 11, 12:33 PM
revengingangel
UK(SO), 4 yrs
driftersubboyuk wrote:
carrying knives in public place with a blade over 4" is classed as on offense you can be arrested for it if you have it on your person.

If you need to take the knife anywhere, put in a box and wrap it up as a gift. It's highly unlikely you'd be stopped and asked to unwrap that and even if you did the fact that it IS in the box and wrapped up is likely to cement the appearance that it's not just being "carried" in public.

i.e. They find a knife in the back of the car, arrest, possesion of an offensive weapon. Find a knife wrapped up in a box and paper and tape... changes the way it's seen more than a little. No longer is a quickly deployed "tool" for "self defense" but is instead a carefully wrapped gift for a dear friend with a lord of the rings obsession.

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10 Dec 11, 12:54 PM
go_dutch
UK(AL), 4 yrs


BARNET_BASTILLE wrote:
You can get arrested,charged and found guilty of having a knife with a one and a half inch blade, With a one year sus/sentence.

driftersubboyuk wrote:
carrying knives public place with a blade over 4" is classed as on offense you can be arrested for it if you have it on your person.

just as an aside, you can get arrested for carrying a blade of ANY length, without reasonable cause. so if you're walking along the street getting your groceries with a pen knife, that's aresting material.

Now if you work at a bar say (I'm using my own circumstances) and carry a waiter's mate, and go across the road to the supermarket for some food on your break, that's going to be fine

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10 Dec 11, 2:47 PM
daeimos
UK(OL), 3 yrs

Tinsel_Tassled_Tiger wrote:
Knives. Buying and legality etc...

Hi all. Genuine seeking for info and advice. Tried knife play very recently for the first time and absolutley loved it... So I now want to purchase some suitably impressive knives. Can you still buy hunting knives in this country and are there any restrictions etc.... All advice great fully received....

Check out http://www.bkcg.co.uk/

i know a few people who've brought knives from there and they couldn't be happier.

they even have a how not to be an idiot and get arrested section.

curious about most things

10 Dec 11, 4:57 PM
mq1965
UK(DA), 8 yrs
go_dutch wrote:
BARNET_BASTILLE wrote:
You can get arrested,charged and found guilty of having a knife with a one and a half inch blade, With a one year sus/sentence.

driftersubboyuk wrote:
carrying knives public place with a blade over 4" is classed as on offense you can be arrested for it if you have it on your person.

just as an aside, you can get arrested for carrying a blade of ANY length, without reasonable cause. so if you're walking along the street getting your groceries with a pen knife, that's aresting material.

Now if you work at a bar say (I'm using my own circumstances) and carry a waiter's mate, and go across the road to the supermarket for some food on your break, that's going to be fine

Nearly right...

Criminal Justice Act 1988 S.139 wrote:
139 Offence of having article with blade or point in public place.

(1)Subject to subsections (4) and (5) below, any person who has an article to which this section applies with him in a public place shall be guilty of an offence.

(2)Subject to subsection (3) below, this section applies to any article which has a blade or is sharply pointed except a folding pocketknife.

(3)This section applies to a folding pocketknife if the cutting edge of its blade exceeds 3 inches.

(4)It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove that he had good reason or lawful authority for having the article with him in a public place.

(5)Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (4) above, it shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove that he had the article with him—

(a)for use at work;

(b)for religious reasons; or

(c)as part of any national costume.

(6)A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) above shall be liable-

(a)on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months, or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or both;

(b)on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding four years, or a fine, or both.

(7)In this section “public place” includes any place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted access, whether on payment or otherwise.

(8)This section shall not have effect in relation to anything done before it comes into force.

So you can carry a pen knife with you without having to have any good reason. Anything other than a folding pocket knife with a blade less than three inches you have to have a good reason for having in public. Some types of knives (flick knives and concealed knives in particular) are usually considered to be ones for which there cannot be a reasonable excuse, as they are considered to only have one possible use, which is as a weapon. Bohnanza's link gives more detail about those.

There have been debates on these boards before about whether using it for BDSM purposes would count as a reasonable excuse. It won't be a problem in private, but potentially a BDSM club could be a place to which the public have access if anyone can turn up and pay on the door. I think most clubs could probably safely argue they are not public places because they will have restrictions on who can enter - dress code, age restrictions, etc.

The other issue is transport. To take a knife to a club, or even someone else's house, for play purposes will mean having it in public. If caught with it it probably isn't wise to suggest you are taking it somewhere to carve patterns in a lady's skin. Best not to say what you are taking it for, or if you have to, say it is part of a costume, but make it clear you have it in public only while transporting it from one place to another. Carry it wrapped up securely and in a box or bag, not somewhere you can easily get hold of it, and you'll probably be OK. Driver's door pockets are a very bad place to carry knives, if found by police will almost always lead to you appearing in court!

There are also quite a few laws on trade in knives - see Bohnanza's link above for some examples - but for the most part if you are an adult buying a knife you are not committing a crime. If you want to sell a knife you might need to be more careful.

10 Dec 11, 5:35 PM
Hackneyedchap
UK(E), 4 yrs
you also need to be aware of the violent crimes reduction act 2006 which moderated and added some offences. Lock knives are also classed differently from folding pocket knives. "Public places" might turn out to be the main factor - and I dont think youd get away with the idea that a club is a private place. Members of the public have access and will be there within the meaning of 'public'. if you had a party, with invited guests, that would be private. If you held it in a club to which the public normally have access, you might get away with it if you talked fast. Maybe. (PS not a lawyer but have a friend who was arrested for practicing with a samurai sword in a private access garden - lots of definitions became clear; they are legal definitions not social ones...)
12 Dec 11, 8:49 AM
David_uk
UK(GU), 8 yrs



In my opinion "Nieto" offer the best option for amazing quality, beauty and outstanding value. I have several in my collection and have enjoyed them for many years.

You may find this useful http://www.goxplore.net/guides/Knife_law_(UK)

Enjoy safely

David

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Edited 12 Dec 11, 8:52 AM by David_uk

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