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30 Nov 11, 2:18 PM
Perplexion
13 mths
Belasarius wrote:
Tanos wrote:
Belasarius wrote:
A while ago, I had the silly idea of developing a system of D/s "honorifics" which the observer would bestow on the observed, thus creating a web-like hierarchy of respect (or lack of). It wouldn't work - because it has to be deeply, culturally, ingrained. But it seems to have done the Japanese no harm.

They've had two decades of stagnation caused by an overly deferential society that can't compete effectively with the US, South Korea, Taiwan, China etc. Too much making of gadgets to curry favour with PHBs and not enough people like Soichiro Honda.

:T:

True. Nothing's perfect. They also have an incredibly resilient culture that makes our Dunkirk and Blitz "spirits" look laughable

Indoctrinated into them from birth, hense the kamikaze pilots. While our culture encouraged allegiance (sp) to the King and God, people were not raised or expected to be suicide bombers.

As cultural D/s goes, the system of showing respect by bowing lower than their conterpart fascinates me but when you're born into such a disciplined society where honouring your family, colleagues and country requires suicide (youngsters failing their grades) it is clearly not a consensual system.

Edited 30 Nov 11, 2:26 PM by Perplexion

30 Nov 11, 2:46 PM
SirOpenSource
UK(E), 6 yrs


The_White_Tiger wrote:
Reply options to Blogs memo only etc...

Can I just ask because I really don't understand this. Why do people have a problem with Blogs that are memo reply only and where people are controlling the replies? If someone wants to write a very private expression of what they are feeling and just want to put it out there what is the problem with that? This is surely just like any other blog site?

I wonder if this is because people use the weblog facility on here for discussion which on other sites would be conducted on boards? Therefore we somehow feel that we have the right to comment publicly on what someone has written in a blog? The point being that we DON'T have the right to comment on a blog because as stated in the AUP a blog is the sole copyright property of the original poster.

I'm not taking sides here I just genuinely don't understand the hostility to this?

The person writing the blog has the "right" to do this...

If of course we object to the topic we of course have the freedom to start a thread to debate it...

Thoughts please....

I think the key comes in the words I have highlighted. As soon as you publish anything it loses it's privacy. If someone blogs and I reply, it being hidden I used to just delete my reply. Now if the issue concerns me I make a point of starting a reply blog.

Call me petty if you wish, I call it the right to reply.

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30 Nov 11, 3:43 PM
TheSilverFox*
UK(GU), 2 yrs

SirOpenSource wrote:
"Snip".... I call it the right to reply.

SOS

I guess this is really my point. AS I understand it we don't actually have a "right" to reply openly on a blog itself. We do of course have the option of starting our own discussion...

Let's all play nicely people.. Just remember.. This is meant to be fun!
"The art of being a gentleman is knowing when not to be..."

30 Nov 11, 3:48 PM
TheSilverFox*
UK(GU), 2 yrs

Belasarius wrote:

If I have a view on something, I don't want the comfort of knowing it CAN'T be tested, criticised (or applauded :) ) by others.

I agree that if I am going to express an opinion about something that will be relevant to others on the board then memo only or editing replies may feel churlish. If it is the telling of a personal story or event then I can see the angle for no replies.

I certainly don' think there should be any opinion expressed about a person, group of people or event without permitting replies..

The problem is the copyright law...

Let's all play nicely people.. Just remember.. This is meant to be fun!
"The art of being a gentleman is knowing when not to be..."

30 Nov 11, 3:50 PM
wonderer
UK, 5 yrs

Belasarius wrote:
wonderer wrote:

Do you think there should be a right of reply on profile text then?

Yes, I'd welcome it. It's becoming more common on the web in a corporate context ("Get Satisfaction", "Review Centre", etc). If someone has an opinion about their experience of you, why shouldn't they express it?

Fundamentally, I believe your view of yourself is really only as valid as other's views of you (Ubuntu - not a linux reference).

A while ago, I had the silly idea of developing a system of D/s "honorifics" which the observer would bestow on the observed, thus creating a web-like hierarchy of respect (or lack of). It wouldn't work - because it has to be deeply, culturally, ingrained. But it seems to have done the Japanese no harm.

Fascinating.

Yes, self perception adn self-description are often flawed. But I think most people (apart from in some very special D/s relationships) would like to maintain the right to self-describe without it having public debate appended. And the reason for not wanting it nweed not be insecurity; it could be a liking for a sort of stylistic coherence in the self description, without footnotes from others.

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30 Nov 11, 4:32 PM
SheilaBlyge
UK(S), 4 yrs

Gosh, why on earth SHOULD a blog be open to reply unless the blogger wishes it?!

If I wrote a column in a magazine or paper... you have the right of reply, but not instantly and publicly! If I wrote a book, you could reply to me directly, or publicise your own response in your own way, but my book wouldn't provide an instant forum for discussion for you.

Just because we've entered the electronic age it doesn't suddenly confer any greater rights on the reader!

Some blogs invite responses, some don't, and some vet (just like a magazine or newspaper column would!). What is the issue here? Respect the author's wishes and be done with it!

30 Nov 11, 8:19 PM
xAdamx*
UK(SE), 9 yrs
Has anyone mentioned the network factor in this OP, that a writer intends a blog only visible to his/her network and allowing them to only reply. All others discluded.

If they have I apologise

1 Dec 11, 12:07 AM
Smartarse
UK(CM), 7 yrs
SheilaBlyge wrote:

If I wrote a book, you could reply to me directly, or publicise your own response in your own way, but my book wouldn't provide an instant forum for discussion for you.

Just because we've entered the electronic age it doesn't suddenly confer any greater rights on the reader!

Oh, many a time I've underlined a passage and written: 'this is bollocks!' in the margin. You can't do that on a Kindle. ..does upset the library though.

1 Dec 11, 12:38 AM
Smartarse
UK(CM), 7 yrs
Trusttolove wrote:
Smartarse wrote:

Either don't allow any replies or comments - effectively saying: I don't want to open a discussion. I don't welcome comment.

Or allow all replies - effectively saying: I'm happy for anyone to make any comment. I'm strong enough to take anything you throw at me.

I can't respect the vetting of replies before they are displayed. For me, it shows weakness of character.

sometimes people ARE feeling weak and that is why they blog about it. i respect someone's right to do that. i can appreciate they might like replies that are warm and supportive but feel too sensitive to share replies which can sometimes be harsh and lack understanding.

This I don't get. If you've seen the harsh, and lacking in understanding replies, why would pretending you only got nice replies make things better for you? I think this is the nub of the issue. A lot of folks would instinctively recognise that as self delusion and want to criticise it. So someone who has replied, been judged to be harsh and had the reply deleted, would then feel the double whammy of being dismissed and dismissed by someone who is self deluded.

Whatever, my general point about deleting replies remains the same: It infuriates people. And people who are infuriated are unlikely to ever respect the person that infuriated them. The next thing that happens is the blogger is in a clique fighting with someone elses clique. By all means build a pink fluffy world where only nice things happen, but let's do it the hard way - by respecting people.

1 Dec 11, 12:45 AM
Tanos*
UK(M), 14 yrs

xAdamx wrote:
Has anyone mentioned the network factor in this OP, that a writer intends a blog only visible to his/her network and allowing them to only reply. All others discluded.

Or that replies from others start off hidden. This is a good way to deal with replies from trolls and other forms of wind-up merchant, by denying them the attention they're after.

:T:

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