Punishment beyond limits - what happens? (16)

This is really interesting. If I have the jist of your post, you are asking from the Dominants point of view, what happens when you think your sub has reached her limit, in terms of punishment.

I continually amaze myself how much I can take in terms of punsihment. Our last session, although not punishemnt, was awful. It involved "riding the wooden horse" whilst being caned and then whipped whilst tied between two posts. I kept thinking I couldnt carry on, but he seems to instinctivly know my body and mind to know when enough really is enough.

I am not sure our sessions are regular enough to instil a permanant character change, but I know if he wanted to change me he could.

There are three things that should only ever be said if you REALLY mean them; I love you, I hate you and I m sorry.

I am actually a masochist - being destroyed and remade is a dream of mine. I know what it is like to be brought to the point of desperation, with fury and helplessness possessing you but unable to make any difference to your fate. But the main point of this thread is to ask what happens when punishment continues from this point on (which is where most dominants stop). How does the dom play it, brutal or teasing? For how long? How do you keep it going, almost wearing out the subject, but not quite (almost entirely destroying hope, but not quite).

I have never had this longterm possibility happen to me, so I am fascinated to discover what it will be like. (Before, hopefully, I learn in practice.)

Sometime ago we had a session that involved a quite extreme but short-lived punishment.

I screamed that I had had enough and even called red, but we negotiated a short sharp end to the scene.

The result was a massive haematoma down from my top thigh to down below the knee, but I lived. We both lived and still we do canings.

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If it's within limits is it punishment or play?

If a sub can safeword, is it punishment?

For us, punishments tend to be fairly dull affairs, as instead of the anticipation and exhilaration of play, there is the foreboding and guilt of punishment and relatively little is required to reduce her to tears of regret. Unless, of course, I'm in the wrong (err, I never am, of course), when she sticks to her dignity through gritted-toothed "I'll-show-him-ness".

We have limits of course, and she's set them, and if I deliberately and consistently went beyond them, then I reckon I'd be without her.

But, if it's punishment, i think it's pretty important she has no control over the affair, other than the knowledge that i will try to respect the limits that have been agreed.

ETA. I think the presence of punishment has changed both of us It provides dispute resolution and catharsis if we've had a mini-crisis. It's welcome and helpful, in an unwelcome way.

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Edited 21 May 12, 4:07 PM by Belasarius

The level I will go to before becoming pissed off depends on the trust I have in my dom to be deliver safely (bdsm 'safe', not vanilla 'safe'!) and the respect I have for him that will push me to suffer for him.

Becoming pissed off is not a good idea, I may be all tied up at the time, but when I'm no longer restrained, me being pissed off isn't good!!

So going beyond 'limits', going through the tears and screams barriers , going through the 'No, really no' barriers, how acceptable that is and how far the dom 'should' go depends on your personal relationship with your sub.

What changes, then? Habitude enables slightly higher levels of sensation to be dealt with, practice enables better techniques of handling pain or withdrawing into endorphin-heaven, but mostly, trust enables deeper play and respect creates deeper commitment.

Elle

A subs feelings towards their Dom/Domme at the time also increases/decreases the limits.

Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.

Absolutely: Close domly observation always required .

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Uh, from play? I have been to the point where I'm screaming manically and was waaaaay beyond what I could endure. Did it change me?

Yeah, it taught me that I can take more than I thought I could quite simply. Although in any other way I just don't know. Maybe I'll have to think about that....

All I'm in is just skin..

For me as a submissive masochist into judicial CP the point is that I must take the full sentence no matter what.

Furthermore that sentence can be indeterminate, which means it must continue until the Top is completely satisfied, no matter what.

There is no safeword and Top is empowered to continue the punishment no matter how piercing my screams and how much I squirm under the lash.

The Top may go on for as long as it pleases them. The punishment should continue until the Top's sadistic desires have been entirely satisfied.

It is fairly bizarre but the way it changes my character is for me to feel deep love and devotion for the one that inflicts so much pain on me. The more viciously brutal they are and the longer they mercilessly continue to lay it on at maximum force despite my obvious anguish the more I love them. I really don't understand why.

Edited 21 May 12, 9:43 PM by jstripes