This thread is a continuation of "Tying people, not parcels"
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| Tue 15 Nov 11, 7:13 PM Esinem UK(SE), 12 yrs  |
Here's a post from Fetlife to show that the proposed approach doesn't require a lot of technical skill and that an obsession with the ties themselves can often get in the way. The second paragraph sums this up nicely: "Bruce, I can't thank you enough. I practiced the Ichinawa* with sooopampered this morning and it's exactly what she's been hoping I could do with rope. And as a relative newcomer to rope, it relieved me of some stress I was having with Shibari. I'm not saying it was simple, but it gave me the freedom to concern myself with my model and not where my next rope splice would end up. As a result, the connection between the three of us (her, the rope and me) was palpable. What a difference!" Like I always say "It's not about knots". * The video with Ika Noire at LFAJRB that I also posted in the original thread here. Japanese bondage tuition: www.shibariclasses.com Edited Tue 15 Nov 11, 7:15 PM by Esinem | ||
| 15 Nov 11, 9:41 PM RanDesu UK(WA), 16 mths   |
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| 15 Nov 11, 11:55 PM Jahc99 UK, 5 yrs |
Homeopathic posting, and curiously effective. Respect! | ||
| 16 Nov 11, 3:40 AM masterkim UK(BS), 7 yrs |
You simply can't beat the simplest of rope tricks; obtain a length of rope 5 feet long, tie the ends together using any knot, then put rope under partners right or left knee joint and lift, so the partners knee is horizontal to the ground, then with the rope in your hand, put over your left or right shoulder, voilą. | ||
| 16 Nov 11, 9:15 AM RubyRouge UK(S), 4 yrs |
Kinbaku for the win.  Just goes to show that anyone can tie from the heart - newbie or experienced rigger - it's just letting go of the ego and plan that can make it possible. Rx "While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there?" | ||
| 16 Nov 11, 9:24 AM RanDesu UK(WA), 16 mths |
I learned this from another roper yesterday... +1 | ||
| 16 Nov 11, 10:29 AM Muzzlehatch UK(TN), 7 yrs |
Ok, You've started with the film analogy. Akira Kurosawa's Japanese epic The Seven Samurai. I've sat through a four hour subtitled cut. Very good, but a long time making it look pretty, before getting to the point. Comparisons can be drawn with Japanese ropework. Then we have The Magnificent Seven. The West's version of the same story. Takes a lot of the main scenes from The Seven Samuari, but the whole thing just gets on with it. more in line with a 'western style' of ropework. So what was lost in the retelling? Nothing much. The best bits were kept, with a bit of a new twist. And, going back to the rope. That's what a lot of people, including me, are doing now. It's like all the marshal arts that you can learn in this country. Interesting techniques to learn and practise, but I haven't got time to spend a few years at Kodakan learning it properly. CQB can be found on your doorstep.
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| 16 Nov 11, 6:17 PM Baron_Samedi UK(EN), 4 yrs |
It's more like martial arts than you think. Martial arts is about learning an under lying system. Techniques are just there to illustrate & demonstrate that system. How you apply, adapt & expand on those techniques is far more important than the techniques themselves.
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| 16 Nov 11, 10:30 PM RanDesu UK(WA), 16 mths |
Loved the film comparisons. It couldn't be more true.
I agree entirely with you - especially considering that kinbaku is a direct descendant/distillation of hojojutsu, for erotic or sexual aesthetic. I have recently begun to see that kinbaku is indeed a 'system'. It is exceptionally versatile and gives an experienced practitioner the ability to work wonders with very little fuss. I have been discussing 'intimacy', 'closeness' and 'eroticism' with my girls when tying them. It seems that practicality is the key factor, at any given moment, but contact and communication are the real core to whatever we do. Intimacy and closeness come from communication. Eroticism comes from contact. Maybe there are other combinations, I'm just looking at a couple of simple perspectives as I think what to write. I would like to think that I am always learning and always reviewing how my progress to Mastery is going. From my recent review, it seems that I'm not doing so bad. It didn't take these threads to make that happen. I'm sure that it is the same for most of the people who choose to work with rope. | ||
| 2 Dec 11, 11:00 AM Esinem UK(SE), 12 yrs |
" Very good, but a long time making it look pretty, before getting to the point. Comparisons can be drawn with Japanese ropework."
You have missed my point entirely. I maintain the right effect can be achieved with just one rope and little in the way of formal ties. I think I posted this in the first thread: http://vimeo.com/31769501 Not much rope, only beginner ties plus technique = big result. I think we got to the point pretty fast Japanese bondage tuition: www.shibariclasses.com | ||
| 2 Dec 11, 11:21 AM phoenixgirl UK, 8 mths |
I recently read your essay in 'Ropes, bondage and power' and it, surprisingly, put across your point much better than the original post on here did, I thought. |
