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What is "sexual"? (41)

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15 Nov 11, 3:30 PM
Drakino
UK, 21 mths
wonderer wrote:
(Though I suppose that would make masturbation without any kind of fantasy a non-sexual act ...)

I do this a lot. It's not a sexual act, it's an attempt at getting my body to shut up so I can get some sleep ;)

wonderer wrote:
I think virtually all of human culture is to some extent sexual, or at least partly fuelled by sexual energies which are always with us and part of that swirl of diverse motives which make us what we are and which are expressed in all our creative output. I suppose the desire for closeness and intimacy and profound interaction with another characterises sexuality for me.

valiant1 wrote:
In some ways, "sexual" is something it's easier to know when you feel it than it is to define.

For me, the whole defining point of "sexual" is a mental thing, a feeling. So I can be physically horny, but mentally not (which leads to the non-sexual masturbation :P). Or I can be feeling mentally sexual but not be turned on.

As a continuation, this means that (to me) anything and everything can be sexual, and it doesn't mean that sex itself is inherently sexual. I have quite definitely had non-sexual sex. Sure, sexual can (and often does, for me) lead to sex, but I can have one without the other.

As for defining what this mental feeling is... This is where I get stuck. It's just a feeling, okay?! :P BDSM is mostly sexual for me, but it's also a challenge, a way to push both myself and my boy.

“When Rabbit said, 'Honey or condensed milk with your bread?' he was so excited that he said, 'Both,' and then, so as not to seem greedy, he added, 'But don't bother about the bread, please.'”

15 Nov 11, 3:55 PM
RanDesu
UK(WA), 16 mths


The hardest part (no pun intended) of describing BDSM as an umbrella for activities, is that we must describe an entire spectrum of behaviours and journeys in a single concept.

"It's all about sex" and "It's all about control" are both valid views of different parts of the spectrum.

Sexuality cuts across everything we do, but "Sex" and "Control" are not mutually exclusive, nor are they a function of the other. Sexuality and control, sex and sexuality.

I am in that part of the spectrum - the one in which I feel most at home - where this is about control. I am a hunter, a predator, capable of marking out prey and taking a girl to bed. If I want sex... I can get sex. Whether the girl knows she's been hunted or controlled, means little to me. But that is empty. She, is not submitting.

I want the submission of my prey. I want the control which comes with that. I will have her do as I wish, be my target, my bunny. I will leave her in no doubt as to the higher place I will take her to, at my will. And... if I also choose, I will have sex with her.

Other people live in different parts of that spectrum and they are who they want to be. I do not judge, nor should they attempt to judge me.

I hope that my sexuality is always clear. I hope that other parts of my nature are clear too.

15 Nov 11, 4:28 PM
ClassAct2005
UK(N), 7 yrs
(It was a bit of thread diversion of me to mention it but I'd just seen it as I posted on this thread.

I am not (a) into girls so I'd need a man there in charge to have any sexy effect and (b) it's just a bit frightening in a not good way and (c) the shop dummies don't look flesh and blood real so aren't erotic. I suppose the concept that she's made into one of them - Stepford wife analogy at the end is an interesting twist.

Lustful wrote:
ClassAct2005 wrote:
That's the same for me - control and service is sexy.

[ This ad I just watched is supposedly sexy but I didn't find it so http://www.agentprovocateur.com/soiree-video.htm... ]

Belasarius wrote:
valiant1 wrote:
What is "sexual"?

This question was prompted by recent threads on asexuality and the sexuality of control, which got me thinking about attitudes to sexuality in BDSM... <snip> ...So - how would you define "sexual" - and what's the relationship between BDSM and sexuality for you?

I hope people don't mind if I concentrate on this part of the OP.

For me, control of sexuality is fundamental. Our relationship is service orientated and sex is the ultimate service. She wants to please me by being good at it, by being available as required, and by understanding that whether she is pleasured is at my pleasure, not hers.

The ultimate service is a celebration of all we achieve in other parts of our relatioships As such, knowing she is doing something for me, even far away, feels sexual.

The advertising video was not sexy because the actors were obviously playing roles; a similar scene with a different master/mistress of ceremonies could have been arousing, the difference betweem porn and advertising.

15 Nov 11, 5:02 PM
mcncirce*
UK(BH), 9 yrs
I have a simplistic view on the OP question

If the brain's pleasure centre is triggered by stimulation of the mind it is erotic, if it's by stimulation of the senses then it's sensual and if it's by stimulation of the genitalia then it's sexual.

Michelle

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15 Nov 11, 5:12 PM
tanken
UK(NR), 2 yrs

mcncirce wrote:
I have a simplistic view on the OP question

If the brain's pleasure centre is triggered by stimulation of the mind it is erotic, if it's by stimulation of the senses then it's sensual and if it's by stimulation of the genitalia then it's sexual.

Michelle

Fair enough but all are connected. My brain is stimulated by a fantasy. This heightens my senses. My genitalia become stimulated and I get an erection.

Now this is just the fantasy side of things. It can also be the presence of a woman, her look, her voice, her touch, her kiss or she may just grab me by the genitalia as one domme has done in the past :)

Happiness is a warm bum :)

15 Nov 11, 5:59 PM
TheSilverFox*
UK(GU), 2 yrs

To me, something sexual is probably something that engages my sexuality. So at one level or another it will stimulate me sexually. Then of course we descend into the depths of what I find sexually stimulating and that is a different story!

Let's all play nicely people.. Just remember.. This is meant to be fun!
"The art of being a gentleman is knowing when not to be..."

15 Nov 11, 6:49 PM
wonderer
UK, 5 yrs

Drakino wrote:
wonderer wrote:
(Though I suppose that would make masturbation without any kind of fantasy a non-sexual act ...)

I do this a lot. It's not a sexual act, it's an attempt at getting my body to shut up so I can get some sleep ;)

Yes, there's nothing as unsexy as a "sex" act which is mere hydraulics without meaning. (Hydraulics may not be the best word for the female equivalent but you know what I mean; scratching an itch rather than doing something intense and meaningful).

"Wisdom begins in wonder” (Socrates)
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" (Albert Einstein)
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15 Nov 11, 8:01 PM
Esinem
UK(SE), 12 yrs
"...different people mean very different things by the word."

Like Bill Clinton, for example :-D

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15 Nov 11, 8:29 PM
kitty_claw
UK(TN), 4 yrs
Drakino wrote:

For me, the whole defining point of "sexual" is a mental thing, a feeling. So I can be physically horny, but mentally not (which leads to the non-sexual masturbation :P). Or I can be feeling mentally sexual but not be turned on.

As a continuation, this means that (to me) anything and everything can be sexual, and it doesn't mean that sex itself is inherently sexual. I have quite definitely had non-sexual sex. Sure, sexual can (and often does, for me) lead to sex, but I can have one without the other.

As for defining what this mental feeling is... This is where I get stuck. It's just a feeling, okay?! :P BDSM is mostly sexual for me, but it's also a challenge, a way to push both myself and my boy.

Yep that's how it is for me too. :)

"And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom." Anais Nin
Crawley Munch
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15 Nov 11, 9:33 PM
Ms_Valentine
UK, 9 yrs
JohnnyTooBad wrote:
I am having a prolonged discussion as to whether a ProDomme is providing a sexual service or not. The clincher was look at the clothes, not dressed for bringing in the coal are we? Contraversial this, but I belive that many clients of ProDommes are in denial as are the Dommes themseves. The clients can salve the guilt by saying to themselves that its not really cheating because its not sex,and the ProDommes can feel better than an "Escort" because of the same reason. Of course its sex its all about sex! But it does suit some people to blur the lines a little to gain wriggle room to preserve self esteem and to assuage guilt. That is why its called tribute not payment its easier on the head that way.

Just as an aside,and not wishing to derail this thread.

As it happens I do believe that PDs are offering bdsm which will very often, although not always have a highly sexual content.

Firstly though this is not offering sexual services. I do not service anyone, they service me, if indeed, service is being had anywhere in the equation.

I have never worn fetish or overtly sexualised clothing for my sessions and in thirteen years I have been busy and successful without going down the fetish clothes route. I wear clothes I would wear normally during the day or clothes I feel relaxed and comfortable in.

I don't call my fee anything but a fee, a professional payment for my time.

You appear to know very little of Professional Domination but seem, as so many, to have a lot to say about it.

You seem to assume PDs all equate sexual activities and fun with shame and so worry about guilt. I don't. I am proud of what I do and have done for thirteen years. I have self esteem and some of it is connected to my pleasure and pride in being a good Domme and having had such good fun with my subs over the years.

The PDs you speak of may well exist but so do many other types, highly educated, eloquent, self aware women happy to be paid for something they love doing and are good at.

We know all the arguments people make, rudely judging us and what we do, putting their own moral slants on our lives and nothing anyone else says on IC will ever make me regret the good times I have had.

An Escort is going to be better at having sexual intercourse for money than I am and I will be better at dominating men for money. Sexual arousal may occur in both situations but they are not the same thing on the basis of that fact.

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