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What is "sexual"? (41)

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Fri 11 Nov 11, 8:43 AM
valiant1
UK(ST), 7 yrs

This question was prompted by recent threads on asexuality and the sexuality of control, which got me thinking about attitudes to sexuality in BDSM.

I rapidly came to the conclusion that different people mean very different things by the word. I suppose literally, it's about gender difference and reproduction, and in the animal world it's just that, but amongst humans? Well I guess you could call anything more than reproduction "perversion" (and some of us will be happy with that tag).

In some ways, "sexual" is something it's easier to know when you feel it than it is to define. I suppose in many ways sexuality is a social construct, and so what counts as sexual (as well as what you find is sexy) depends on your social group.

So - how would you define "sexual" - and what's the relationship between BDSM and sexuality for you?

WARNING: The above post may contain inaccuracies, irony or downright sarcasm.Not suitable for anyone allergic to nuts.

11 Nov 11, 8:50 AM
ConsciousnessJunkie
UK(N), 5 yrs

valiant1 wrote:
What is "sexual"?

This question was prompted by recent threads on asexuality and the sexuality of control, which got me thinking about attitudes to sexuality in BDSM.

I rapidly came to the conclusion that different people mean very different things by the word. I suppose literally, it's about gender difference and reproduction, and in the animal world it's just that, but amongst humans? Well I guess you could call anything more than reproduction "perversion" (and some of us will be happy with that tag).

In some ways, "sexual" is something it's easier to know when you feel it than it is to define. I suppose in many ways sexuality is a social construct, and so what counts as sexual (as well as what you find is sexy) depends on your social group.

So - how would you define "sexual" - and what's the relationship between BDSM and sexuality for you?

I think it's different for everyone, sometimes genuinely people don't find BDSM etc sexual. However sometimes I think it can be a bit that they're just trying to kid themselves. Perhaps I've just talked to too many people for whom they are just trying to justify not telling their wives!

For me, everything related to BDSM and Fetish is sexual. It's just all a big old sexy game which is rather fun. Hence I have no desire to make it my entire life (to me that would be weird, I find the idea of living your entire life as some kind of sexual fantasy a bit hard going) and I can quite happily live without it (the body doesn't need sexy-time to survive).

It's quite interesting though, the ways that people view the same activities.

Edited 11 Nov 11, 8:53 AM by ConsciousnessJunkie

11 Nov 11, 9:00 AM
boffin54
UK(PR), 21 mths
Anything you like. Anything they like. Anything both like
11 Nov 11, 9:11 AM
Top_Class
UK(GU), 2 yrs

boffin54 wrote:
Anything you like. Anything they like. Anything both like

Both? Only both?

"Fork handles?" "No, not 'fork handles' ... four candles."

11 Nov 11, 9:31 AM
Muzzlehatch
UK(TN), 7 yrs

valiant1 wrote:
What is "sexual"?

So - how would you define "sexual" - and what's the relationship between BDSM and sexuality for you?

Most of it!

There are occasions when I'm given a sub to tie up at a munch or club, and they can end up as quite sexy, but not sensual/sexual. for that I have to be more involved.

All the other times though... :-D

Owner of The Croppery Dungeon and Breakfast. Organises The St Leonards munch.

11 Nov 11, 10:59 AM
Monkey_Wench
UK(B), 20 mths

For me almost all of it is sexual. Pain, submission and all the rest that goes with it, being restrained, humiliated, used, all of it is sexual, all of it turns me on in some way, gives me a physical sexual reaction.

I seem to be able to experience different types of orgasms, from just being dominated, from pain alone, or from sexual acts. The orgasms arising from combinations of the three are pretty mind-blowing.

Anyone seen a unicorn lately?

11 Nov 11, 11:33 AM
AstronautMikeDexter
UK(E), 2 yrs
valiant1 wrote:
I suppose literally, it's about gender difference and reproduction, and in the animal world it's just that
How do you know? There are plenty animals that have sex recreationally and/or for elaborate social reasons.

valiant1 wrote:
I suppose in many ways sexuality is a social construct
Almost entirely.
11 Nov 11, 12:18 PM
valiant1
UK(ST), 7 yrs

AstronautMikeDexter wrote:
There are plenty animals that have sex recreationally and/or for elaborate social reasons.

I hadn't thought of that - and I realise that for those animals, sex can be about power, about dominance in their peer group - or is it vice versa - only the dominant get to reproduce?

WARNING: The above post may contain inaccuracies, irony or downright sarcasm.Not suitable for anyone allergic to nuts.

11 Nov 11, 12:35 PM
tanken
UK(NR), 2 yrs

I think that sexuality is a huge part of our lives but that many people just focus upon simple intercourse as being sex.

Even things that don't involve physical touching such as fantasies can nevertheless produce hormones in the body that give feelings of sexual pleasure and arousal. How many times does the average person think about something sexual in a day?

If you consider that food & drink, clothing, and shelter are the basic needs of the individual then sex is undoubtedly the most basic need of the human species. In the modern world all these basic needs are a lot more complicated than just bread and water and a hut to live in. So also is modern sex complicated too :)

Happiness is a warm bum :)

11 Nov 11, 12:41 PM
Somewhatsadistic
UK(GL), 7 mths
I was under the impression it was only humans and dolphins that engaged in recreational sex!

But BDSM is all about the sexual aspect. Some may state it is a purely mental dynamic with no real sexual side to it but that is just a crock. We are all driven by the sexual aspect and imagery, even power exchange has its place as determining who controls who and for what within the sexual arena.

While we may live in a society that conditions us to perform and live our lives for the good of our comunity, each person expected to help maintain our society and work for it, we are like all living things. Our driving force is sex, spread the genes, procreate and ensure the continuation of the species. So we are smart enough to realise we can do other things as well but our natural programming will always default to a sexual aspect when it can and drive us to be active and interested sexually for as long as possible.

You cant fight nature, embrace it :)

11.11.11. We will remember them. If it doesn't fit, force it!

11 Nov 11, 1:02 PM
Grownup_Frankie
UK, 4 yrs
valiant1 wrote:
In some ways, "sexual" is something it's easier to know when you feel it than it is to define.

So - how would you define "sexual" - and what's the relationship between BDSM and sexuality for you?

I rather liked your own definition.

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