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Time and Motion Sex Analysis (47)

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11 Nov 11, 11:51 PM
A_Very_Good_Girl
UK(WC), 8 mths
FrostyFingers wrote:
ToakReon wrote:
I think, after the most careful consideration and analysis of this story, that the man's a twat.

That may be true, but I just read the Evening Standard and apparently the jury found him not guilty. Go figure.

Sounds to me like that was the correct verdict, based on burden of proof.

Feel sorry for her that the video of her was shown to all the jury and the public gallery for no purpose. I suggest her lawyers advised her badly.

12 Nov 11, 1:13 AM
MisstressvsSolicedog
UK(NN), 17 mths
'blitish' justice once more,,,

Please excuse crap spelling cause i,m rubbish

12 Nov 11, 7:00 AM
Achilleus
UK(M), 3 yrs
FrostyFingers wrote:
... but I just read the Evening Standard and apparently the jury found him not guilty.

Thank fuck for that, I was considering deleting my secretly filmed 'time and motion' videos of submissive girls. I just wanted to know who put more effort into D/s, I get RSA from wielding a cane and all she does is take it ;-)

God's child or Satan's angel?

12 Nov 11, 7:33 AM
Mad_Monk
UK(BH), 4 yrs
Although the outcome of the criminal proceedings must have been disappointing for the lady concerned, I am sure that a subsequent constructive dismissal action may bear fruit. (;-))

"He took a single sip of her pain and found it exquisite"

13 Nov 11, 3:47 PM
rupert_bare
UK(B), 3 yrs

Mad_Monk wrote:
Although the outcome of the criminal proceedings must have been disappointing for the lady concerned, I am sure that a subsequent constructive dismissal action may bear fruit. (;-))

Unlikely it says the dismissal was before it came to light/

13 Nov 11, 5:38 PM
fitzcaraldo
UK(BA), 6 yrs

Use_All_My_Holes wrote:
FrostyFingers wrote:
ToakReon wrote:
I think, after the most careful consideration and analysis of this story, that the man's a twat.

That may be true, but I just read the Evening Standard and apparently the jury found him not guilty. Go figure.

Sounds to me like that was the correct verdict, based on burden of proof.

Feel sorry for her that the video of her was shown to all the jury and the public gallery for no purpose. I suggest her lawyers advised her badly.

You're not kidding : what was she thinking ? If she was snooping on his computer she was invading his privacy too.

He should have asked first , but as the bloke sounds like the ultimate jobsworth , could be he really did want to see where he was going wrong !

Couple of other amusing details are that he complained he felt he'd been doing 'all the work', and that one of the jurors, asked about the film, took it all in his stride and said 'it just wasn't sexy' .

The whole thing is more like a plot off "Doctors".

{With the postscript that unconsensual sexual activity, when perpetrated by someone of either sex is unacceptable in any circumstances.}

Fitz.

Escaped from the parallel universe

13 Nov 11, 6:28 PM
mq1965
UK(DA), 8 yrs
FrostyFingers wrote:
ToakReon wrote:
I think, after the most careful consideration and analysis of this story, that the man's a twat.

That may be true, but I just read the Evening Standard and apparently the jury found him not guilty. Go figure.

Having seen a photo of the bloke in the paper the words quoted seemed quite believable to me. A jury apparently took less than ten minutes to acquit him, so they were obviously convinced he wasn't doing this for sexual gratification.

This raises a far more interesting question for me, one that crosses over into BDSM Activism. Why should it make a difference whether he did this for sexual gratification or not? Isn't it equally wrong and unpleasant to the victim whatever his motives were? Surely it should either be a crime to record private acts without consent, or it shouldn't be, regardless of your motive.

Lets put it another way. Say he had done this for sexual reasons. Not to broadcast on the internet or show anyone else, but just because in quiet moments he likes sitting down, watching the video and having a quiet wank. That would be a crime as the law stands.

Let's compare that to a hypothetical scenario where, say, someone well known as a major player in an international sporting body happens to organise an evening with four ladies who enjoy playing BDSM games, perhaps in return for money, and unbeknown to the other four people involved one of the four ladies secretly videos the whole evening, not for a bit of private pleasure but in order to sell it to a national newspaper who will print stills on their front page and put the video on their website for the whole world to look at.

Which of these is more harmful to the people involved? Shouldn't they at the very least be treated equally? If one is a crime, shouldn't the other also be?

In essence, is it ever justifiable that something is a crime if the person who does it gets sexual gratification from it, but not a crime if they don't, no matter what the effect on the victim?

13 Nov 11, 6:45 PM
ClassAct2005
UK(N), 7 yrs
I think it may depend what law he was prosecuted under. It doesn't sound like it was under privacy law where the result might have been different.

Yes, the juror who had watched it said it was not at all sexy. He doesn't sound like the world's greatest lover, fussing over who was putting the most effort into things.

He is still looking for a job doing time and motion studies.

13 Nov 11, 6:50 PM
Attitude_Adjuster
UK(N), 6 yrs

mq1965 wrote:
FrostyFingers wrote:
ToakReon wrote:
I think, after the most careful consideration and analysis of this story, that the man's a twat.

That may be true, but I just read the Evening Standard and apparently the jury found him not guilty. Go figure.

Having seen a photo of the bloke in the paper the words quoted seemed quite believable to me. A jury apparently took less than ten minutes to acquit him, so they were obviously convinced he wasn't doing this for sexual gratification.

This raises a far more interesting question for me, one that crosses over into BDSM Activism. Why should it make a difference whether he did this for sexual gratification or not? Isn't it equally wrong and unpleasant to the victim whatever his motives were? Surely it should either be a crime to record private acts without consent, or it shouldn't be, regardless of your motive.

Lets put it another way. Say he had done this for sexual reasons. Not to broadcast on the internet or show anyone else, but just because in quiet moments he likes sitting down, watching the video and having a quiet wank. That would be a crime as the law stands.

Let's compare that to a hypothetical scenario where, say, someone well known as a major player in an international sporting body happens to organise an evening with four ladies who enjoy playing BDSM games, perhaps in return for money, and unbeknown to the other four people involved one of the four ladies secretly videos the whole evening, not for a bit of private pleasure but in order to sell it to a national newspaper who will print stills on their front page and put the video on their website for the whole world to look at.

Which of these is more harmful to the people involved? Shouldn't they at the very least be treated equally? If one is a crime, shouldn't the other also be?

In essence, is it ever justifiable that something is a crime if the person who does it gets sexual gratification from it, but not a crime if they don't, no matter what the effect on the victim?

Couldn't agree more...

And all men kill the thing they love, By all let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!

13 Nov 11, 6:59 PM
mq1965
UK(DA), 8 yrs
ClassAct2005 wrote:
I think it may depend what law he was prosecuted under. It doesn't sound like it was under privacy law where the result might have been different.

He was prosecuted for voyeurism, under S.67 Sexual Offences Act 2003:

S.67 Sexual Offences Act 2003 wrote:
(1) A person commits an offence if-

For the purpose of obtaining sexual gratification, he observes another person doing a private act, AND

He knows that the other person does not consent to being observed for his sexual gratification.

(2) A person commits an offence if –

He operates equipment with the intention of enabling another person to observe, for the purpose of obtaining sexual gratification, a third person (B) doing a private act, AND

He knows that B does not consent to his operating equipment with that intention.

(3) A person commits an offence if –

He records another person (B) doing a private act,

He does so with the intention that he or a third person will, for the purpose of obtaining sexual gratification, look at an image of B doing the act, AND

He knows that B does not consent to his recording the act with that intention.

(4) A person commits an offence if he installs equipment, or constructs or adapts a structure or part of a structure, with the intention of enabling himself or another person to commit an offence under subsection (1).

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