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29 Oct 11, 8:27 AM
valleyrose17
UK(BS), 2 yrs
I don't think you can call it a coincidence CA2005 - he made a choice - the choice to use what he had seen and live out the scene in real life.

ClassAct2005 wrote:
The conicidence of the murder and his sexual interests is hardly helpful.

"Fear is that little darkroom where negatives are developed" Michael Pritchard
"Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall in love with a gorgeous redhead" - Lucille Ball

29 Oct 11, 8:32 AM
valleyrose17
UK(BS), 2 yrs
I switched off the local news the other day because the whole programme was dedicated to the verdict and i just KNEW it was going to get salacious (is that the right word). It was like watching half an hour of the News of the World live on TV Euw.

They DID make it sound as if he had been watching snuff movies - I can't remeber the exact words but it was along the lines that he had been watching hours and hours of the strangulation of women.

"Fear is that little darkroom where negatives are developed" Michael Pritchard
"Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall in love with a gorgeous redhead" - Lucille Ball

29 Oct 11, 11:18 AM
rehtael_ni_dal*
UK(G), 9 yrs
An interesting bit is that:-

Nigel Lickley QC wanted Tabak's internet usage to be included in the Crown's case against him but this was blocked by Mr Justice Field and the jury was not told about it.

Obviously the judge considered that the sites that Tabak visited was NOT relevant to the case.

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire (François-Marie Arouet (21 November 1694 – 30 May 1778)

29 Oct 11, 1:33 PM
Olokun
UK(S), 5 yrs

MistressAdara wrote:
Another reason

Another reason for censorship and prosecution of our lifestyle.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/vincent-tabaks-secret-f...

Joanna Yeates' killer Vincent Tabak had a secret fetish for pornography depicting women being strangled and tied up in car boots.

I had a similar thought on this, this morning. Wondered what kind of impact it would play on the scene, especially already having the violent pornography bill/act. It can only stand to make things much harder, or more we have to work hard to conceal what we do, even though 99.9% of the time it is innocent.

29 Oct 11, 1:43 PM
misunderstoodslave
UK(OL), 2 yrs
In my experience, Judges are less prurient than the rest of the professional world, ie the bar and social workers in particular.

But today's Guardian made me very cross, by describing the porn he watched (presumably sex and submission site) as "disturbing."

I think we forget how odd a lot (most?) of people find the whole being beaten thing. I would still have thought the Guardian might have made the distinction about consensual strangulation/violence and nonconsensual, though. I'm disappointed. The hilarious thing about the kink.com sites is those bits at the end with smiling girls in dressing gowns saying how happy they are to have done it. Presumably done for legal reasons, but it is quite funny.

But prurience is universal. No one more prurient than me, tbh. Long may it reign. Though it's v hard if you only get your fix from the Guardian or occasional trips to the hairdresser. You get out of the loop.

29 Oct 11, 1:49 PM
Clodmin
UK(OX), 3 yrs

She's not saying 'my what a coincidence!'

She means coincidence as in 'the two things coincided'. They were concomitant, happened at the same time, overlapped, occurred in the same venue.

The word has been expanded to mean random and unconnected but it still means the above.

Although she actually wrote 'conicidence' which I don't think actually means anything, and I would suggest is either evidence of the dangers of glass-house-based stone throwing manoevres or a testament to the moreishness of a Vodka and Slimfast diet.

valleyrose17 wrote:
I don't think you can call it a coincidence CA2005 - he made a choice - the choice to use what he had seen and live out the scene in real life.

ClassAct2005 wrote:
The conicidence of the murder and his sexual interests is hardly helpful.

Here are some small words for you to look at. Aren't they tiny!

29 Oct 11, 2:21 PM
emark
UK, 9 yrs
How is this possible?? Surely all these images are now removed from society, thanks to the valiant work of Liz Longhurst?? How is it possible that someone now commit such acts???

Ima_Kant wrote:
There will only be censorship from the politicians if there are votes to be gleaned from it... and considering the number of people into BDSM I'm not sure that is that likely... we'll see.
There are other reasons why politicians pass laws though, and there as long as it isn't a major vote loser, it doesn't matter if it isn't a vote winner. The last Government liked laws that gave additional reasons for police to get suspects on after searching phones/computers - even if they were innocent of what they were originally suspected for.

And well, when you reduce the number of people into BDSM to the number of people into breath play, then to the number of people who like looking at such images, then factor out the people who don't care about laws for whatever reason even if they do, you're left with a lot of "It doesn't affect me, why should I care".

As for the papers/media... all they are worried about is sales - mainly for commercial purposes but also for propaganda too - so expect more kinksters to be outed... and as for the facts... well... the first casualty of journalism is truth.
Indeed, though the interesting thing about the Jane Longhurst case was that there wasn't really any media crusade - there were some articles blaming images and supporting a law, but then there were plenty of articles criticising the proposed law too. Much of the one sided coverage was that coming straight from the Government, that the media than reproduced without question.

I also agree with the various comments here - I noticed that with the "extreme porn" law, the broadsheets and the BBC were doing as much if not more of the bad reporting, whilst even the Daily Mail had a columnist actually criticise the law. It's as if they don't even see it controversial to refer to images as "sick", and assume there would be universal agreement on the issue - there's an interesting BBC article at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/08/al... where they note the response from readers challenged their assumptions on this. (Sadly after this, the BBC often reverted to just publishing a pro-legislation article every time Longhurst opened her mouth, but at least they acknowledge the response at this point.)

AngelFingers1 wrote:
Out of respect to the loved ones of Joanna Yates...please may we stop discussing the vile murderer and his pathetic "justification" for his terrible crime. Inappropriate for this place.
Have you emailed the media writing articles about his pathetic justifications, to ask them to stop carrying these stories too, out of interest?

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Edited 29 Oct 11, 2:30 PM by emark

29 Oct 11, 3:55 PM
Jayen
UK(GU), 9 yrs
I wonder if VT had discovered fetish, whether it would have helped him understand and channel his desires, taught him that pornography is not wrong - and whether both he and JY would still have been walking around today?
29 Oct 11, 4:00 PM
valleyrose17
UK(BS), 2 yrs
Maybe he had. How do we know he wasnt a member on here?

Jayen wrote:
I wonder if VT had discovered fetish, whether it would have helped him understand and channel his desires, taught him that pornography is not wrong - and whether both he and JY would still have been walking around today?

"Fear is that little darkroom where negatives are developed" Michael Pritchard
"Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall in love with a gorgeous redhead" - Lucille Ball

29 Oct 11, 4:07 PM
Jayen
UK(GU), 9 yrs
valleyrose17 wrote:
Maybe he had. How do we know he wasnt a member on here?

Jayen wrote:
I wonder if VT had discovered fetish, whether it would have helped him understand and channel his desires, taught him that pornography is not wrong - and whether both he and JY would still have been walking around today?

Interesting! :) But I somehow don't think so. Rather than having been driven to such an extreme act, he could have been expressing himself differently in places that would accept breath play, etc. Of course, we don't know - you're right - but I so hope he's NOT one of us! :(

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