| 23 Oct 11, 8:37 PM dementia_von_gurth UK(DA), 4 yrs   |
fair point .... nobody finds a bully funny .. but if we take irreverence from comedy then it wouldn't be very funny really its a fine line all for one and fuck the rest | |
| 23 Oct 11, 8:45 PM CookieMonster UK, 6 yrs |
I used to get monged out on weed. So what? To many people are anul these days. | |
| 23 Oct 11, 8:58 PM dementia_von_gurth UK(DA), 4 yrs |
i think ricky gervais would be even funnier after monging out on a doobie or two all for one and fuck the rest | |
| 23 Oct 11, 9:41 PM pilsburyDB 19 mths |
It would appear its remarkably easy to offend these days... It's not all about you..... | |
| 23 Oct 11, 9:46 PM Endorfiend UK, 21 mths |
I thought that's what mong meant for years... we just said we were 'monged out' when we were stoned. I had never heard the word in any other context. As soon as I knew it had a reference to Downs I stopped using it... I think that's the point when you know the negative connotations then you no longer say it, or you do and recognise that some people will be offended. There are plenty of other words around... we can choose x What do you want from me? | |
| 23 Oct 11, 10:29 PM lush_london UK(WC), 6 yrs |
It might be an age thing, I have always associated the word "mong" with "Mongol" which was how children with Down's syndrome were referred to when I was at school. So as a playground insult, "mong" always meant that the person being labelled as such had learning disability, and it was only ever used in a pejorative way. Ricky Gervais and I are not that far apart in age, so he would have been well aware of its' etymology and how offensive some people would find it.
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| 23 Oct 11, 10:58 PM Grownup_Frankie UK, 4 yrs |
In the case of derogatory terms for Disabled People, Disabled People themselves have decided where the line is drawn, through their political/collective organisations that are run and controlled by Disabled People, and through their 35 year history of campaigning in this country for the acceptance of the social Model of Disability, an end to discrimination, and the right to be heard when it comes to decisions about their own lives. Next question... | |
| 23 Oct 11, 11:21 PM dementia_von_gurth UK(DA), 4 yrs |
there is no next question .... just thoughts on whether or not we are intelligent enough to make up our own minds as to whether it was funny, just ricky gervais being who is, irreverent .... or if we need to be told what we are allowed to find funny because we are too stupid to realise that it wasn't supposed to be taken seriously all for one and fuck the rest | |
| 24 Oct 11, 11:40 AM Grownup_Frankie UK, 4 yrs |
I would say no. No, its not simply about people making up their own minds. Thats my point. Its about people listening to what others have said about such terminology and choosing to accept what they have said, rather than choosing to ignore their sentiments. The views and opinions of Disabled People have been ignored for many years, but over the last 35 ish years they have been self-organising and collectively campaignnig for full civil rights; the right to access to work, to right to access of information, the right to live independently - things that able bodied people take for granted but that have, in all seriousness, been denied to Disabled People 'for their own good'. So, although language may be only one small part of this, it is nevertheless an important part of this process of integration into mainstream society - not to be considered the 'other' any more, not to be the subject of, or the butt of, jokes, for instance. It is crucial for full integration and full access to society not to be thought of as 'the other', because being 'the other' can just mean you are the butt of a joke now and then, but at the other extreme end of this thinking it can mean being labelled as 'life unworthy of life', as Disabled People were in Nazi Germany, which led to their wholescale murder. The idea that sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me, is a bit simplistic. Its not just words, its attitudes, and how people think of you effects how they treat you - as an equal, with equal protection under the law, or not. Refering to someone as a 'spastic', for instance, is reducing them to their condition. Do you see the implications of that? Those implications - of having ones personhood ignored - have had very detrimental effects on the lives of people in the past. So 'lest we forget', we should accept that such names carry a legacy of hurt and should therefore no longer be used or tolerated. Edited 24 Oct 11, 12:04 PM by Grownup_Frankie | |
| 24 Oct 11, 12:14 PM Prunesquallor UK(RG), 7 yrs |
I sometimes wish IC had a 'like' button. 'To loose' means 'to let go'. 'Lose' means you can't find it. 'Discrete' means separate. 'Crescendo' means 'growing'. 'Fulsome' doesn't mean 'full'. 'Unique' doesn't mean 'very unusual'. |
