Max Mosely - a new perspective (97)

Let's assume that we are never going to be able to discuss the subject at all, and that we will have to move on.

If we appease Mr Mosley's trenchant critics by not saying that he has done something that benefits us all, how then do they envisage the situation?

1 - Are we to entirely disown and repudiate Mr Mosley's victory over NOTW?

2 - Is it morally acceptable to expose private consenting adult sexual behaviour in order to wreck a career and sell newspapers?

3 - Should we be supporting the press in their use of covert information gathering in order to tell stories that would otherwise remain part of the private lives of those concerned?

4 - Whatever might be done - for or against the tabloid culture that has assumed the right to remove anyone's privacy without any accountability whatsoever - what are those so vocal in their attacks on Max Mosley going to contribute?

This thread is not at all in support of Max Mosley, so now I want to know what the people that have been slagging him off so vociferously are going to DO about the tabloid press.

[Edited in light of later post]

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Edited Sun 16 Oct 11, 6:50 PM by Ishmael

Never ever accused of knowingly ever doing anything nice!

But I did feel in the last MM thread that some of the comments were on the level of accusing a Wagner fan of being a Nazi.

Albeit I do wonder with MM if there is a lot of base jealousy going on here being the son of Diana Mitford, his connection to the inner circle and serious wealth people would rather disguise their class war jealousy of the toff with anti fascist waffle.

Just on the level of my enemy's enemy is my friend MM has done something positive.

But in the end while the great British public want to stick their snouts in the swill trough of prurient scandal there will be someone to supply it.

Maybe now MPs appear not to be frightened of the press they may tighten up but then also we may move into an era when no one cares what anyone else gets up to.

There is a difference, though, between MP's being 'dishonest" in some way and caught out (which begs the question as to what else they could be being dishonest about) and someone having a bdsm session. MP's are playing with taxpayers money - MM was a private individual doing private things with his own money. I think they are totally different things.

If someone does something good, I will give them credit for it. If they do something *I* don't approve of....well that doesn't make them wrong, necessarily does it? I'm neither defending nor condemning MM, as I know nothing about the man except what I have read here, a lot of which is possibly not accurate.

He did something in our favour. Good on him.

What can I do? Diddly, really. Maybe spread the word a bit that we aren't ax murderers (I told a friend recently that I am a "fetishist" and she said, cool as long as I don't hack her up in her bed. ) Sign petitions. Post comments on those odious comment boards under biased articles.

It is good to see tiny bits of progress being made. It is heartening. No matter who does it.

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If a Foxy minister voted against proposals to allow gay couples to adopt children and against the equalling of the age of consent does his sexuality become relevant or only if he campaigns for back to basics in terms of morality?

Are footballers "role models" so it's right to remove injunctions showing they are married yet carrying on with a load of other women as one recent case said.

I think it comes down to whether there is hyporisy and genuine public interest in the sense that it is important the public know (not just that they happen to be interested).

The MM case is a little different.

MM won a case that his privacy was breached. The NoTW argued that it was relevant because of its Nazi-ish nature, which was found to be unsubstantiated.

So imagine a slight twist of affairs; what if MM's scene had involved Nazi roleplay? There are plenty of people on here that have advocated their rights to such things, and the judge did not make a comment upon whether his privacy would have been sacrosanct if the NoTW description was accurate....

So - should his right to privacy have been upheld, if it was Nazi themed, and, if it was Nazi themed, but he happened to have a different father (or a different job)?

And all men kill the thing they love, By all let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!

Coming from a world where a short end of petrol pipe cost's £5k, a spoiler £25k, a steering wheel £100k, and a buffet for 113 souls runs out at £35k. I find Max Mosley's little foray into the world of hired help, to be a little diminutive of the professional side of the BDSM community.

How dare he get his kink on the cheap, the £2k he spent on his dungeon party (source NOTW) is loose change for such folk. He should hide his head in shame for such frugality in such matters, I doubt his accountant has ever processed such a small bill for his evenings entertainment. I'm surprised the F1 community haven't ostracised him for being caught on the 'cheap', it just simply won't do !!

DF

2. Context is all. Paedophilia could be called private sexual behaviour.

3. With point 2 as a context, I dont doubt that some catholics are very pleased indeed that the press did.

4. Not buy them.

That's clear enough.

I'll just amend the OP to accomodate that point.

OK, child abuse is a crime, while dressing up, playing silly games and doing a bit of CP is not. That's some kind of line drawn.

I like to be able to take it a little bit further - I sometimes collect copies of The Sun from train seats and stuff them in the recycle bin outside the station.

Not only does it save innocent people being infected, I suspect that the recycling bit is against Murdoch's wishes as well.

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It's usually totalitarian regimes that try and change historical record according to personality rather than fact, such as the Russians with their disappearing political figures in photographs.

I think that's why I find the concept of Mosley being persona non grata, regardless of individual actions , pretty silly.

George Orwell should be required reading for the PC brigade.

Fitz.

Escaped from the parallel universe

1/ Mr Mosley's victory is his. He could afford to do it. Best of luck to him in terms of his own privacy. I am sure people with his resources will continue to make best use of the courts.The idea that this was done on behalf of anybody else is at best absurd. It will provide a useful basis for those who can afford to pay to take the tabloids on a useful basis in case law.

2/ No. Why would that be morally acceptable? Who does it benefit? Its not in the public interest.

3/ No. People have their right to privacy. This must be more important than selling papers. Again its not in the public interest.

4/ What an odd comment. Its as if you dare speak against this odd cult of the personality that some people have, you have to justify the rest of your political actions. How strange to imagine that threads on a BDSM website that are about " I love Max", I heard Max on the radio he was great or, "i touched the great Max's hand " " Dont mess with Max" are some form of political activity in their own right that threaten the mas medias power.Anyone who dares to point out that they don't either like him or that they find these threads sycophantic has to explain what they will do to attack the media. Again quite an absurd concept. To be honest the phone hacking scandal did for the NOW far more than Max. He could not get his privacy restored or indeed the paper closed down.

Now its been nearly two years of Max this and Max that. Isn't it time that some people simply moved on? I could understand if we had this many threads about phone hacking, the police and corruption. But this obsession with one case and one man is really not having the impact on either the state or the media that some seem to claim.

Edited 16 Oct 11, 10:38 PM by nortyboy