Uniforms etc- part 2 (96)

because of hygiene issues on needles and knife play and 'cos they don't want the building burning down with fire play.

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But what we were talking about before, doesn't exact make the building burn down, or people's eyes be put out, so it's totally down to one person (or a group of people) imposing their sensibilities on another.

Either way you slice it you cannot win, but surely the fairest thing to do is allow EVERYONE to freely express themselves.

no kids, goats, or other animals

i mean if a person turns up in a current Isrealie uniform how are we to expect any Arabs to be kicking up about that

so we ban that

so far ss uniform then

any other Nazi uniform, oh Russian uniform afterall they killed more people,,,

then some people don't like to see age play ban that,, others dont like to see naked people ban those..

where do you stop !

really think about it WHERE,, clubs would be filled with 1 person

because WE ARE OPENED MINDED PEOPLE HAH balderdash!

excuses for killing event could'nt deal with or cope with other peoples desire's fetish etc

and so then and therefore banned the very people we need to exist

good plan !

Please excuse crap spelling cause i,m rubbish

A lot of kink is representative of things which many living people are real victims of, and yet those victims don't appear to vocally oppose depictions of these kinks, nor do they take it personally. Instead they're able to recognise it within the context and environment in which it's displayed and enacted, and as such they either accept it or move along.

A fetish club is precisely that environment, one where everyday norms are left at the door and people are free to express and explore their own fantasies and desires, however dark they may be.

Of course there might be some who are offended by the sight of a Nazi uniform, as there may be others equally offended by the sight of a slave master, or a torturer, or a catholic priest, but I bet there are others who are turned on by it as well, just as much as the other representations turn people on.

What about those Jews who like the idea, should they be denied their kicks because someone else finds it offensive?

If a club allows certain uniforms to be worn, then surely anyone wearing such a uniform should not only be free to do so, but able to do it without harassment. If someone finds the sight of such a uniform so offensive then I would have thought it was up to them not to go such places where it was allowed.

In the end I don't see how one group could demand any special treatment without opening the door to having to provide the same consideration to every group of "victims". The logical conclusion to this sort of "thin end of the wedge" intolerance is that over time all kinks would have a valid reason for being censored. Instead we should embrace the outer edges, however distasteful they may seem to us on a personal level, because the further out those edges might be, the further away the hand of censorship and interference is from our own desires.

I have already stated in my previous post that 'uniforms' and 'dress-ups' of any form, are not issues for the majority of people, such 'logos' ARE.

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My reason is that Nazi ideology is inimical to the inclusive ethos that The Scene has at its core - and I don't just mean that it damages it by accident, or as a consequence of its other actions, or because of misplaced ideology; as has been remarked before - lots of ideologies kill people when they go wrong, Naziism kills people when it goes right. Along with immigrants, people with disability, the homeless, Communists and homosexuals, you can count us - we would be loaded into the same cattle trucks. We are 'degenerates'.

That's my reason. I don't mind too much if others don't share it, but I am still not having swasikas at Firm events, because I have to live with my own conscience, and look at myself every time I want a shave. I think, that under law, I am within my rights to do that, and I suggest that if anyone wants to get the law changed to say that Nazi uniforms have to be acceptable, they may have a very hard job ahead of them, and for very good reason.

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Edited 2 Oct 11, 4:53 PM by Ishmael

that is and of course

excepting re-enactment events- history events- WW11 dance events- historical militry hardware shows-

but yes walking down the street in say Finsbury Park dressed as an SS officer would be entirly bad form and i would have an issue with that,,

as i do the Israelies in occupied Palestine which is a real current issue

Please excuse crap spelling cause i,m rubbish

Of course.

To be clear, I wouldn't suggest forced acceptance in public either.

However in private I believe it's the right of the event/venue owner to decide, and for individuals to choose whether to attend or not.

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Were the people responsible for this wearing SS / Nazi uniforms ?

Whilst I have given my personal opinions on wearing uniform on the last thread, I feel that I feel that you are making a dangerous connection between racists, homophobes, violent criminals and people who wear certain uniform / symbols.

perhaps engaging with people in rational discussion and explaining your discomfort or complaining to the organisers of the event would be a better option ?

Edited 2 Oct 11, 5:57 PM by teufel_tanz