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Uniforms and connotations... (96)

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Sat 1 Oct 11, 5:45 PM
Northern_Trash
UK(HD), 2 yrs
We may discuss the whys and wherefores later, but the fact is I sometimes wear a Waffen-SS replica uniform to meets and gatherings. It's just my thing.

Last night I was harangued (maybe justifiably)by a fellow meet member (female, not that it matters). She accused me of being a Neo Nazi - I'm not, but I can see it's difficult to argue otherwise - and disrespectful to those who died in WWII (again, I'm not, but you can't argue when you're dressed like that). I've worn the uniform - off and on - for about three years. The person who confronted me was there for the first time that night. So, have I been surrounded by cowards previously, or can the wearing of the uniform be accepted in such circumstances?

Will it get another wear...?

1 Oct 11, 5:47 PM
carenza_lionheart
UK(NN), 24 mths

*gets popcorn*

The one who claims to be innocent

1 Oct 11, 5:47 PM
yashin
UK(BS), 7 yrs

Northern_Trash wrote:
Uniforms and connotations...

We may discuss the whys and wherefores later, but the fact is I sometimes wear a Waffen-SS replica uniform to meets and gatherings. It's just my thing.

Last night I was harangued (maybe justifiably)by a fellow meet member (female, not that it matters). She accused me of being a Neo Nazi - I'm not, but I can see it's difficult to argue otherwise - and disrespectful to those who died in WWII (again, I'm not, but you can't argue when you're dressed like that). I've worn the uniform - off and on - for about three years. The person who confronted me was there for the first time that night. So, have I been surrounded by cowards previously, or can the wearing of the uniform be accepted in such circumstances?

Will it get another wear...?

The question has to be.......why do you wear it?

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1 Oct 11, 5:49 PM
Northern_Trash
UK(HD), 2 yrs
yashin wrote:
Northern_Trash wrote:
Uniforms and connotations...

We may discuss the whys and wherefores later, but the fact is I sometimes wear a Waffen-SS replica uniform to meets and gatherings. It's just my thing.

Last night I was harangued (maybe justifiably)by a fellow meet member (female, not that it matters). She accused me of being a Neo Nazi - I'm not, but I can see it's difficult to argue otherwise - and disrespectful to those who died in WWII (again, I'm not, but you can't argue when you're dressed like that). I've worn the uniform - off and on - for about three years. The person who confronted me was there for the first time that night. So, have I been surrounded by cowards previously, or can the wearing of the uniform be accepted in such circumstances?

Will it get another wear...?

The question has to be.......why do you wear it?

Because I like it. And I'm of the opinion that if it doesn't impinge on another's well being, do it.

However, maybe it does impinge emotionally...?

1 Oct 11, 5:54 PM
Kali_Ma
UK(B), 5 yrs
I understand the appeal, the uniforms are very, very smart, BUT, we are still within living memory of what the men and women that wore that stuff did.

I'm sure there are people out on the scene who lost family during the Holocaust and I'm sorry, but your right to wear that kit pales into comparison to their right not to have to see it.

You see if you walk into a room of people at an event, they haven't had the choice or opportunity to exercise their right to say 'hell no!', you're forcing your kink on them, possibly with some pretty nasty psychological impact.

I had the most beautiful male sub for a while, in his early 20's who was Jewish. We went to an event up north and he was put in this situation, and it made him deeply, deeply uncomfortable. He shouldn't have had to deal with it.

Kali xxxx

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1 Oct 11, 5:57 PM
Northern_Trash
UK(HD), 2 yrs
So if I removed all insignia, so it just became a black uniform, would that be ok?

Or is it that recognisable even without insignia that it should forever remain in the wardrobe?

1 Oct 11, 6:02 PM
Lady_Anna_Bradford
UK(BD), 5 yrs

Northern_Trash wrote:
So if I removed all insignia, so it just became a black uniform, would that be ok?

Or is it that recognisable even without insignia that it should forever remain in the wardrobe?

Wear it as it is. If people are that determined to be offended by something that didn't happen to them decades ago then that is their business and nobody else should be obliged to pussyfoot around them.

I'm fairly sure that someone's great great great grandaddy was a black slave on a plantation in the Deep South but that doesn't mean all subs and slaves should all stop wearing chains and shackles, and all Dom/mes should leave their whips at home.

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Edited 1 Oct 11, 6:03 PM by Lady_Anna_Bradford

1 Oct 11, 6:03 PM
andrewsean
UK(CO), 5 yrs

Uniforms have always been the acceptable norm with the exception of WW11 german and Nazi uniforms and the wearing of swastika emblems.

A risky move and up to you to wear or not wear but a lot of people will find it hard to see it in any other way than emotionally upsetting.

My family lost members in the camps and I know a lot of other people did so a re-think might be in order?

ETA, the wearing of uniforms of any type does not worry me so long as you don't turn up in a twin-set and pearls and looking like my MUM!

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Edited 1 Oct 11, 6:07 PM by andrewsean

1 Oct 11, 6:05 PM
Lady_Anna_Bradford
UK(BD), 5 yrs

Oh and don't forget to ban any kinky Germans just in case their daddies and/or grandads were former SS officers. You know how German accents can be really offensive to some people...

And as for the Japs...

BAN THEM ALL!

"If no sexual offence is being committed it seems very odd indeed that there should be an offence for having an image of something which was not an offence," Lord Wallace of Tankerness
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1 Oct 11, 6:06 PM
NimueBanditQueen
UK(MK), 2 yrs

Kali_Ma wrote:
I understand the appeal, the uniforms are very, very smart, BUT, we are still within living memory of what the men and women that wore that stuff did.

I'm sure there are people out on the scene who lost family during the Holocaust and I'm sorry, but your right to wear that kit pales into comparison to their right not to have to see it.

You see if you walk into a room of people at an event, they haven't had the choice or opportunity to exercise their right to say 'hell no!', you're forcing your kink on them, possibly with some pretty nasty psychological impact.

I had the most beautiful male sub for a while, in his early 20's who was Jewish. We went to an event up north and he was put in this situation, and it made him deeply, deeply uncomfortable. He shouldn't have had to deal with it.

Kali xxxx

This ^^

You are running the risking of impinging emotionally (and non-consensually) on others in a very unfair way. There is no reason to expect it be within tolerance within a general BDSM meet (it would be different in a WWII re-enactment society, or possibly a BDSM interrogation meet by pre-arrangement etc).

Just my opinion, but I would say this is something to be wary of or keep within confines of people you *know* will be OK with it. The connotations of that particular uniform are just too strong and too negative in a very real-world way.

I think you were just lucky not to have run into this before.

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1 Oct 11, 6:08 PM
Northern_Trash
UK(HD), 2 yrs
Lady_Anna_Bradford wrote:
Northern_Trash wrote:
So if I removed all insignia, so it just became a black uniform, would that be ok?

Or is it that recognisable even without insignia that it should forever remain in the wardrobe?

Wear it as it is. If people are that determined to be offended by something that didn't happen to them decades ago then that is their business and nobody else should be obliged to pussyfoot around them.

I'm fairly sure that someone's great great great grandaddy was a black slave on a plantation in the Deep South but that doesn't mean all subs and slaves should all stop wearing chains and shackles, and all Dom/mes should leave their whips at home.

My thoughts exactly.

I didn't walk through town wearing it, I changed into it there. "There" is not "normal life". The visitors are fully aware of what they are walking in to, and that many social acceptables are ignored. My body; my clothes.

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