Do people still use Paysites ? (92)

For example, the whole of Devonshire Productions is out there to download. I don't feel bad about that, they are no longer producing material, and probably retired on the earnings. The quality of everything is crap, and its all so dated. Somehow I like that. And as the poster says, other sites have more up to date tasters, and use showing free stuff to sell premium content.

Where the winner is, (if you want to make a pay site yourself pay) is now in creating a mistique around yourself. Its not just about creating content and punting it out to any number of viewers, its about creating a little cult around yourself and sustaining that with personal attention to subscribers - taking advantage of the ease that it is to create intimacy when you are only communicating via the internet.

Get subscribers, reel in subscribers, make subscribers thing that they are a part of your life in an important way. I think that this is the future of small-scale internet porn (using the word loosely) - intetsted to see what anyone else says on the subject.

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I wouldn't go for the free one. As far as I understand it handling stolen goods is a criminal offence.

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And I'm guessing that you have morals, so that even if it wasn't a criminal offence, you wouldn't do it anyway.

The underlying issue here is that, mainly thanks to pirate music sites, a whole new generation is growing up thinking that if something is on the internet, it's ok to steal it. The government isn't interested in acting to protect to the interests of individuals such as yourself, musicians, photographers etc, and only get involved when large corporates such as record companies lean on them.

Well, not at a first.

But soon it will be on rapidshare or all this dodgy hosting sites around.

I know there are people who set some kind of coops for that - they but access to the sites, then rip the content and post it somewhere else.

Moreover: there are people, who do a living from that: they pay for the page access then rip it, host on rapidshare etc and post the links on their forum. People go to their forums for links and they got money from ads. Or you have to send special price text message to obtain the password.

(and since the files from your website are compressed and protected with password, it will be almost impossible for you to chase illegal copies of your context. And even if you find something, you can't do nothing to people who download it, as in many countries it's is fully legal to download stuff for your private use as long as you don't spread it further or sell.)

So even if you find your content on Rapidshare or sth, only thing you can really do is to ask admin to remove it. They are protected by the terms and conditions making them completely unresponsible for the context of their sites.

And it's not really important how small your base of customers is, I recently found piece of my work which I done when I was on a work placement in high school - it was presentation for a sience class on Heliophysics, I showed that to two classes, then put it onto the internet for a week in case that they wanted download it. I had four downloads, and recently one of my friends found it on chomik.pl.

I demanded them to remove it, because there are pictures of me and pictures from heliograph done by my friends. They did after 4 days of my e-mail, but I would be naive to think that it won't pop in somewhere else in the internet...

But all these viruses aim at Windows users. Use Linux, and you can go even to most dodgy places on the web

This is popular misconception.

The example with jaguar car is wrong, as if I will have one for free, it means that somewhere there will be one less.

The internet context does not work like that.

If you post movie on the internet and 100 people pay 5$ to see it and another 1000 download it from the pirate site, it does not mean that you lost 5000$.

Why?

Because most of that 1000 would never pay for it anyway. Even if they would like to, they can watch 1000s movies for free, but they can afford only certain amount of it. So if they could not have it for free, they will buy only fraction of what they see now, and however good you are, most of them will propably buy product from somewhere else.

Because unlike your paying customers, most of them are not interested particularly in stuff you do, they just watch it because it's near their interest and it's for free.

It's like with listening to the music: if you like rock music, you just put some rock radio and listen to whatever they play. But if you go to buy some album in the record shop, you choose carefully.

So if you say that watching your movie is "handling stolen goods" you are just being silly, pardon me.

Because if the goods are stolen, they are missing from somewhere. And your movies are still on your website. You don't have any real loss, you just lost some potential income - i.e. you lost money that some of them wartching your movies for free might pay to you if they had no access to free movies. And, as I said before, it's just a fraction of the total number of them who would pay for your stuff.

I am an author myself, I found my music and my articles over the internet on several occasions. I usually do not chase people who do it - I am just checking if my name is still of it. I consider this as a free advertisement.

There is only one group I really hate: it's the people who make money on someone's elses work. All that pages who list links to illegal downloads with paid access etc...

I think this was a big mistake of the copyright industry to chase all that kids who were exchanging money using napster, eMule or torrents. They now moved to much smarter ways of doing it, and all that stuff is just a golden harvest for all that dodgy filehosting companies.

And last but not least: you are working on very small market, but for main stream authors all that culture of easy access to their work isn't really so bad in my opinion.

I give you an example: I was once given a gift from my Scottish friend - he burned for me CD with a scottish band Peatbog Faeries. I really liked it, and I bougth it on several occasions as a "gift from Scotland" when I was going back to Poland. I also been to some concert of theirs, and I am willing to go again.

If not this illegal copying, I would propably never heard about this band and they will not make a single penny on me. Now I already bought 3 or 4 copies of this album and paid for a ticket...

This "culuture of free content" is also good for another reason: young bands, authors etc have equal chance to reach their public. It helps to get rid off the middle man.

I think the current copyright laws are bad for the progress of our culture and they will have to be gone soon. (Pirate party already won some places in Bundesparlament somewhere in Germany). I know, that it looks opposite (the European Council just made the copyright longer again, so forget about free Beatles for now) but it has to be changed soon. People have enough of being ripped by the record companies.;

For centuries artists were paid for their performance. If I was a bard who wrote the song, I was travelling with my lute around the country and I was paid for singing, not for that someone else was singing my songs. But if I was good, I could have get an offer from some king, who would pay me for writing something for him. But then, after I wrote it, it would be again free to be played by everyone. This was for example case of Bach.

Do you think that Bach was running around Europe and chasing guys who were playing his organ works? No, he instead get a job and wrote Branderburg Concertos for some royal chap in Brandenburg. Was he poor? Was he considering himself as a victim of theft? I don't think so.

And last but not least: I think that current copyrights are not fair.

If I am a painter, and I paint a picture, I can sell it. And if you buy it, you can put it on the wall of your museum and charge people for entry.

But if I want more money, I have to paint another picture and sell it.

In the same time, if I write the song, I sell it, then I am paid by everyone who want to put it on his CD, who want to play it with his band, who want to play it in his radio station, and who has a barber shop and wants to enable his customers to listen to that radio.

So for one work, I am paid four times: once when I sold it to the record company, once when they put it onto record, once when that record is played in the radio station and once when this radio station is heard in the barber shop. And so on for 70 years (or more, according to new EU rules).

So I can write one good song, and even my grandchildren can still make a living of it, while it would not be possible if I paint the picture.

Oh, that was a long one, but that is the topic I am very interested it.

So to conclude: copying your movie from your website is nowhere close to stealing your jag from your driveway.

Edited 30 Sep 11, 2:13 AM by Rumburak

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Surely as far as I'm concerned it's not stolen. To go back to the car analogy, if they bought it from you and choose to give it to me, where's the crime. I'm really not trying to belittle your efforts (the world would be a far more boring place without entrepreneurs (?) like yourself) but perhaps you should find a better means of protection.

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No its you seldom get it without paying for it but you often pay for it without getting it !!!

"Said to be bigger than the Web" ?

I could say that the world is flat, but where is the evidence for it?

Having said that, dodgy sites are not a good place to go wandering, but you are unlikely to be able to access Dark sites, unless you really know what you are doing.

As for the Linux debate:

http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2010/06/12/linux...