This thread is a continuation of "Bondage death in Italy"
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| 29 Sep 11, 9:17 AM Daddy_SirHC UK(DA), 3 yrs  |
Thank you for posting the above, which is a better and more informative explanation of the events of that fateful night. I for one stanchly believe that because alcohol and drugs were used by all three should have precluded any play, and therefore a life would have been saved, had they not done anything. The point about him not having the means to cut the ropes readily at hand would suggest to me at least that he wasn't nearly as big an expert as others seem to suggest that he was. I still maintain that the two girls involved should have been more aware of what was happening and all the possible ramifications of the play they were involved in, and as it would appear everyone was very eager to partake in these activities, he alone cannot be totally held responsible for the outcome. He should however, take the responsibilit for his not being able to free the girls in ample time to prevent the tragic consequences of this event. It will be interesting to follow this and see how the courts deal with this and to what extent they allocate culpability . The Dominant leads at the Submissives pace!! | ||
| 29 Sep 11, 1:59 PM canius_femina UK(M), 13 mths  |
This is just my opinion, and stating the obvious, i think no matter how experienced you are, heavy drinking, drugs & bdsm dont mix well. We all know the creed S/S/C, safe, sane and consentual but once your judgement is impaired & response time are slowed, not much can be done if something goes wrong. So there goes sane and safe. The consentual side can also be called into question once drink & drugs are in the mix. Plus the guys organisational skills should be questioned, he should have used all the P's - planning and preparation prevent piss poor performance. All eventualities should be planned into the equation, just incase something goes awry. It looks like the media will have a field day once again castigating anything to do with the lifestyle before understanding any of it. i was amazed at some of the responses, yes we all have a laugh and joke at other peoples misfortunes, but to cheaply dismiss a human life like some of them did is so wrong, and to call the morals of bdsm practitioners into question. Well small and narrow minded dont come into it really. Edited 29 Sep 11, 2:04 PM by canius_femina | ||
| 9 Nov 11, 4:36 AM Esinem UK(SE), 12 yrs |
After visiting Rome, I heard that the girl who died was 120kg with a history of heart and breathing problems. Not an ideal candidate to put in breath play predicament bondage, especially if you increase the risk of passing out with drink and drugs. The surviving girl was 100kg or so. As you can imagine, a 120kg dead weight and a 100kg wildly struggling one (I imagine) would be a hell of a situation for a relatively small/lightweight guy to handle without any convenient means of release. IMHO, a dangerous situation turned bad through lack of appropriate safety equipment. EMT shears, a knife or a quick release would have saved a life. If one goes down the "blame the drink/drugs" route, you are on a path to the situation in some US states of banning booze in play spaces. As laudable as some might think that would be, it would either mean most venues wouldn't think it worth hosting BDSM nights due to the lack of bar take or would increase venue hire massively and thus ticket prices. BTW, this thread should be entitled 'Girl who died in breath play' as calling it a shibari death is as inaccurate as the journalistic headline that we like to criticise so much. Japanese bondage tuition: www.shibariclasses.com Edited 9 Nov 11, 4:38 AM by Esinem | ||
| 9 Nov 11, 10:36 AM Lady_Anna_Bradford UK(BD), 5 yrs   |
It was a journalistic headline. This thread was started when the details were unknown.
"If no sexual offence is being committed it seems very odd indeed that there should be an offence for having an image of something which was not an offence," Lord Wallace of Tankerness | ||
| 9 Nov 11, 1:29 PM one_Dom UK(GU), 2 yrs |
This reply to me is "political (BDSM D/s) correctness" gone mad. Although the facts of the case are not known so far, One thing is clear. The Dom was responsible for the subs safety. To try to argue that the submissives should accept responsibility is ridiculous. If your sub asks you to do something dangerous and stupid, you DON'T do it. I'm no expert at rope but if a rope session is that dangerous, you only do that scene with another person present as a safety backup, in case anything does goes wrong. A Dom can be as careful as he likes but the unexpected can happen. He can have a heart attack. He can trip over and knock himself out. etc etc etc Things WILL go wrong at some stage and that is the reason there has to be a "failsafe" WHEN things do go wrong.
Actually, unfortunately, depressingly....you are excusing the Dom. If a sub can't trust her Dom to keep her safe in a session, then we might as well all pack up our stuff and go back to vanilla. |
