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The referral to partner'''s as Master/Mistress... (71)

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10 Sep 11, 11:16 PM
Ama_Sidero
UK(GU), 7 yrs


Merrick wrote:

Could anyone direct me in the direction of a wasps nest I can strip naked before, smear myself in honey, and poke with a stick? :-D

I don't think anyone needs to do that ^^^...it looks like you would find it yourself. LOL

For what it's worth, I don't think like it sounded like you were disparaging it at all. Just pressing the point.

Maybe the part where the communications go awry is that in some of the responses * (*I don;t remember all the exact posts & who posted), we were saying we don't *demand* that slashy/speak or Caps or honorifics be used. The submissive *Wants* to. Why would we deprive them of such a small easy pleasure and a way to show they care? It makes no difference to the dynamic or relationship....but is just a little symbol. Just like some D's have subs kneel when they enter the room, or ask before they get into bed.

For some people protocol and such things are part of it - for others they aren't. For some people, making those little small gestures mean a lot, for some they don't.

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Edited 10 Sep 11, 11:21 PM by Ama_Sidero

11 Sep 11, 2:14 AM
Toosoretosit
UK(N), 10 mths

I refer to my dominant half as 'Miss'. The concept of Miss dealing with me, maybe just taking off a shoe and ordering me to remove my trousers makes me instantly hard. Miss would be wearing a pencil skirt and dark stockings, and enjoy the whole process immensely
11 Sep 11, 2:21 AM
The_Majickian
UK(SW), 9 yrs

There seems to be a default etiquette about Sir this, Master that, Mistress the other, which is fine if you're in on it, but not so fine if you find it a bit outre. Then again, if the latter, then obviously you haven't been on the scene very long.

It's like when you address anyone whose name you don't know you address them politely as "ma'am" or "sir", and if they don't like that then they should correct you as to how they prefer to be addressed. Personally, I only like to be addressed in a scene-specific manner by the lady with whom I have scene relations: therefore, by some sort of logic I like to think that any lady who wishes to address me in scene language would like to investigate possibilities, although obviously with some it's because their respective Doms have instructed them to address all their correspondents in like manner.

Merrick wrote:
The referral to partner'''s as Master/Mistress...

I've recently been wondering about the D/s dynamic. I've noticed, especially in the weblogs, the referral to doms/dommes as Him or Her. Lots of use of my Master/Sir or my Mistress, in what's pretty much a blog of fairly mundane and everyday context.

Whilst I'm not into what I see as crawling subservience through using such terminology, I'm not criticising those who do; each to their own. I'm sure those who do have perfectly understandable reasons for doing so, for how the particular dynamic works for them. However...

Doesn't proof of a more stronger and substantial D/s relationship exist when such terminology becomes completely unnecessary?

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11 Sep 11, 7:34 AM
PeterPan1972
UK, 8 yrs

ClassAct2005 wrote:
Feel free to wince at the truth and I will wince at bad grammar.

I just checked and the latest poll is now 40% down from 47% so perhaps Americans are improving but they have an awful long way to go....

"A new Gallup poll, released Dec. 17, reveals that 40 percent of Americans still believe that humans were created by God within the last 10,000 years. This number is slightly down from a previous high of 47 percent in 1993 and 1999."

Merrick wrote:
ClassAct2005 wrote:
I would always put grammar uber alles so would not start capitalising things that ought not to be (we're not German after all)... (the thread title of course made a lot of us wince)....th

I wonder if the thread title made you wince as much as I winced reading your earlier thread this evening about 50% of Americans being creationists. Are you having a go at ze Germans now??

Sorry to go off topic (but given that the OP says one thing and then his wording suggests otherwise it might not be a bad thing) but what do you think is worse, the 10,000 years or being created by a higher entity?

The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going, at 66,000 miles an hour, around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.

11 Sep 11, 8:03 AM
ClassAct2005
UK(N), 7 yrs
Again apologies for thread diversion.. I can be spanked later for that....Bad science is the issue and pedalling it as truth (US theme parks showing baby dinosaurs trooping into the Ark with Noah etc). Anyway science is fighting back.... You can now complain to the ASA about any web site with inaccurate claims like all the never proven medical claims made for all kind of potions and treatments which are mostly just placebos. There will be something on the ASA website bu t I found this link first http://www.nightingale-collaboration.org/news/83...

Quantum_h wrote:
ClassAct2005 wrote:
Feel free to wince at the truth and I will wince at bad grammar.

I just checked and the latest poll is now 40% down from 47% so perhaps Americans are improving but they have an awful long way to go....

"A new Gallup poll, released Dec. 17, reveals that 40 percent of Americans still believe that humans were created by God within the last 10,000 years. This number is slightly down from a previous high of 47 percent in 1993 and 1999."

Merrick wrote:
ClassAct2005 wrote:
I would always put grammar uber alles so would not start capitalising things that ought not to be (we're not German after all)... (the thread title of course made a lot of us wince)....th

I wonder if the thread title made you wince as much as I winced reading your earlier thread this evening about 50% of Americans being creationists. Are you having a go at ze Germans now??

Sorry to go off topic (but given that the OP says one thing and then his wording suggests otherwise it might not be a bad thing) but what do you think is worse, the 10,000 years or being created by a higher entity?

12 Sep 11, 3:12 AM
Numbers
UK, 3 yrs
Amazonia_Sidero wrote:
Mine capitalise. I don't tell them to, they just do it. I'm not sure why. I *think* because they figure it is a a small enough thing to show respect. For numbers, I think it is a *big* way for him to show respect as he thinks it is total bollocks. I'm sure he used to cringe when he did it in public messages. Even now, his friends will tease him about it publicly and he says he does it to please me. LOL *rolls eyes* I get the blame.

It is a small enough thing. Theoretically it gives them a tiny reminder of their place in the scheme of things, particularly as they need to remember to do it (though it does become automatic after a while). It makes them happy to do it. :-) It makes me happy that they are happy. :-)

Officially, some people generally think its a crock of bollocks, not just two bollocks and people who do it are Twoo, uber, wannabe, phoney and the list goes on (probably more than people have expounded here - I haven't read the entire thread).

Personally...to each his own. I suppose some type it grovelling because they think that is what you want to hear. Others type it because they mean it. You get to know who is who pretty quickly. :-)

You didn't tell me to do it, but You did make it pretty clear, when W/we were first communicating, that You liked it.

;-)

I *do* do it to please You & I don't do it for anyone else, regardless of how über they might be.

:-*

Personally, I think English has developed perfectly good rules about capitalisation & grammar already. It doesn't need to be interfered with. A lot of people seem unable to use the proper rules anyway, even without confusing things like that...

*eye roll smiley*

Merrick wrote:
I've noticed, especially in the weblogs, the referral to doms/dommes as Him or Her.

In that specific context I don't do it. I only really do it for 'You', 'Your' & 'Mistress', then I use slashy speak for 'W/we' & 'O/our'. Slashy speak is another whole can of worms & since the OP doesn't mention it, I'm not going there...

=-o

Merrick wrote:

Doesn't proof of a more stronger and substantial D/s relationship exist when such terminology becomes completely unnecessary?

I don't think so at all.

How much people are into ritualistic destruction of language has little to do with the strength of their D/s connection IMO.

Some people like it, some don't.

Some people do it, some don't.

Depending on a number of factors, its use may increase or decrease over time.

It doesn't have much to do with necessity IMO...

376, xxx.

"Life at its best is a creative synthesis of opposites in fruitful harmony" - Martin Luther King, Jr.

16 Sep 11, 8:31 AM
valleyrose17
UK(BS), 2 yrs
For me it depends on what kind of relationship it is - if it is of the "romantic/life partner" type of relationship then it doesn't work -for me- in fun yes but to address one's husband or partner as Master is difficult.

I currently have a Master and a Mistress where it is a very different type of relationship. I am Their sub, I am being looked after and I serve Them. It is a relationship based on respect and They are keen on prototcol as way of maintaining that. It works that way and I'm sure it wouldn't work so well if I were to call Them by Their christian names. It keeps me from slipping into familiarity.

But everyone to their own...

"Once in his life, every man is entitiled to fall in love with a gorgeous redhead" - Lucille Ball

16 Sep 11, 8:55 AM
Ms_Valentine
UK, 9 yrs
valleyrose17 wrote:
For me it depends on what kind of relationship it is - if it is of the "romantic/life partner" type of relationship then it doesn't work -for me- in fun yes but to address one's husband or partner as Master is difficult.

I currently have a Master and a Mistress where it is a very different type of relationship. I am Their sub, I am being looked after and I serve Them. It is a relationship based on respect and They are keen on prototcol as way of maintaining that. It works that way and I'm sure it wouldn't work so well if I were to call Them by Their christian names. It keeps me from slipping into familiarity.

But everyone to their own...

To be fair, the OP originally mentioned his distaste of using written honorifics or capilisations in blogs which seemed to be about mundane events.

I certainly have not asked for or would want to be called Mistress all the time by @paulss, but when I make it clear the moment requires him doing so he immediately calls me Mistress. This is done with actions, tone of voice or his knowing we are actively engaging in bdsm play as opposed to our normal consistent level of D/s. It is a bigger turn on for me to generally be submitting to Karen, the whole me, as opposed to Mistress, who is a part but not the whole of me. Mistress mesns 'women in authority' and I am that whether he calls me Mistress specifically or not. Words are generally in my opinion less telling than actions.

I do agree that formal protocols works for some very well but for those of us who live in 24/7 with our subs, we are generally sure that they do always know their place in the dynamic and are happy with it. Living 24/7 does not mean one necessarily loses respect, loses focus or dilutes the D/s. Far from it, living and breathing that sense of control and submission means that for those well suited to 24/7, it becomes second nature and just the way it is.

A Fine Norfolk Domme. Mistress of @paulss My PD blog at http://mistress-keene.blogspot.com/

16 Sep 11, 9:09 AM
roymondo
UK(LN), 4 yrs
I had a pro domme, Lady Lia, who said I was NOT to call her Mistress as she was not my Mistress. I was to call her Lady Lia.

OTOH a pro domme whose name is Mistress . . . would, I expect, be called Mistress.

Outside of BDSM, Master and Mistress were also artesan (I think) terms for the senior persons in trade such as a Joiner or a Seamstress.

16 Sep 11, 10:55 AM
Ms_Valentine
UK, 9 yrs
roymondo wrote:
I had a pro domme, Lady Lia, who said I was NOT to call her Mistress as she was not my Mistress. I was to call her Lady Lia.

OTOH a pro domme whose name is Mistress . . . would, I expect, be called Mistress.

Outside of BDSM, Master and Mistress were also artesan (I think) terms for the senior persons in trade such as a Joiner or a Seamstress.

Yes, that makes sense, I say my subs, if they wish to call me by a honorific should use Mistress, as I dislike Madam, Ma'am, Miss or pretty much any other title. Mistress I have always liked so am happy with that but it is by no means essential as if my subs wish to call me Karen, I am just as happy. Hardly any ever want that, strangely enough.

I guess I see the term Mistress as relating to authority and as such means I can be the Mistress of anyone who submits to me. I do not equate Mistress as a purely M/s thing as some do, so I am certainly not saying I am an 'owner' by saying Mistress, that is not what I am into nor could I truly believe I could 'own' anyone let alone someone who was not my life partner.

A Fine Norfolk Domme. Mistress of @paulss My PD blog at http://mistress-keene.blogspot.com/

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