7 Sep 11, 2:46 PM MissLioness UK(LS), 5 yrs 
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Sweetiejar wrote:
The main problem with special behavioural needs units is that they are full of kids who are out of control and rather than have a positive influence they can often have a negative one. He seems to be disinclined to go there anyway because of the stigma. In itself I dont think thats a bad thing as it means he doesnt want to be associated with that reputation.
However that still leaves you with a problem. I would tend to look at it from an alternative view, as has been suggested, have you considered home schooling? There will be a home schooling group in your town, why not contact them and see if they have anything to offer?
From what you say it would seem that other avenues have been exhausted but what about his aspirations and expectations for his future? Does he want to learn to drive, own a car, have holidays, a home, furniture and stuff? My guess would be yes but how is he expecting to get these without education? Does he know? Have things got so bad that reasoned conversation has gone out of the window, could his brother talk to him about life expectations?
I would stop short of removing food as it could be seen as reglect/abuse, however he doesnt have to eat the same as you do. I can understand that you are at the end of your tether, its hard sometimes to see an end to a problem.
| ty sweety,,,(He seems to be disinclined to go there anyway because of the stigma. In itself I dont think thats a bad thing as it means he doesnt want to be associated with that reputation. ) I agree whole heartedly with this hun. He wants to be a joiner but without the qualifications he has no chance at all of even getting onto a college course. A big yes to him wanting nice things. He is very opinionated and stubborn, has a huge chip on his shoulder and doesnt like to look bad infront of other kids, a chav without the chav clothes and gear to match he also has a reptutation to uphold lol. but strip that lot away and you have a very nice well mannered person underneath if a little selfish.
AdoringLion
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7 Sep 11, 2:50 PM SirOpenSource UK(E), 6 yrs 

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MissLioness wrote:
I have to say im reading this with great interest as I know there are lots of parents who stand alone like me. Only some of us dare to admit it and some of us dont incase people veiw us as failures.
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I don't view you as a failure at all, in fact quite the opposite. You seem to be a very strong, resolute Mother who just wants to do the best for her children and I applaud yo for that.
You mentioned about a 'special needs' school, could you throw some more light onto this please?
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7 Sep 11, 2:53 PM MissLioness UK(LS), 5 yrs 
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Amazonia_Sidero wrote:
I'm not even going to read the other replies, so I'm not influenced.
I wouldn't with the food, because then it could become a "neglect" issue. You could find yourself in a world of trouble.
I did once read in a book that some people take everything away out of the child's room, leaving the mattress, a blanket one pair of disliked clothes and one pair of disliked shoes. The child gets stable food, and that is it. They have to "earn" back their things, and evidently it works a treat.
I couldn't do it. Mainly because, when I was reading about it, I knew the my DS is exactly like me and I know that wouldn't work with me. It would have instilled a quiet rage and the end result would have been not the desired one.
You must know what might work with him. You said you might "have to go to court". You do realise that you would go to jail? There are two cases which were in the papers of mothers in jail for several months. Find those cases on the internet and show him.....that is what I did. ETA: It did influence him.
If he hates it that badly, speak to the LEA and claim school phobia and find him another school, or home educate. I home educated (both willingly & unwillingly due to his disability) for a while. It actually does work very well if the child buys into it.
I'll go back and read the responses now.
You didnt say how old he is. If he is old enough to "fight" for the right school, it is worth it. Mine went from having to peel his hands off the doorframe to get him nto the car and regular exclusions (in the wrong school) to being top of his class with "ego medals" (he calls them) for his jumper starting his GCSE's. By "fight", I mean the LEA has the legal responsibility to educate him. If you take him to school every morning, then he sits outside the school and doesnt go in, they would find him a different school or educate him somehow, because that is the law.
ETA: I see his age now. Could he finish his GCSE"s at home? Would he do that? Does he have a statement then, if he is at a SEN school? If he does, there should have been a second choice of school, and at the review date you can discuss it. If they just changed schools to keep him "included", I would request an "assessment of special educational needs" from your LEA. You send it yourself to your local LEA head office with clear explanation/documentation of why you think he needs assessed. The LEA is legally obligated to carry out an assessment (though they do sometime try and brush you off at first). SEN is ANY need which is not "normal" - ie also gifted children or dyslexia, etc. And LEA's have the tendancy to send difficult children to behavioural schools without even assessing them. bad news. Home education is better than that, said a private Ed Psych to us. End ETA.
This is really abbreviated, and some of the school issues are not clearly put, but you might not be interested anyway. If you want to drop me a PM, I will be happy to help you any way I can and link you to the pertinent government publications and education support groups who can give you the most up-to-date information.
Good luck
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(I did once read in a book that some people take everything away out of the child's room, leaving the mattress, a blanket one pair of disliked clothes and one pair of disliked shoes. The child gets stable food, and that is it. They have to "earn" back their things, and evidently it works a treat.).. I cant really do this as he shares a bedroom with his brother.
He has been told about the consquences of his actions and what might happen, so he does know,he has been to three schools including two of the schools exclusion sights he is not allowed to be in main stream school he lost that right. He has hardly been to school whilst with his dad over two and a half years and in the six seven months he has been with me, its now a constant battle, I will get in touch with the lea and see for myself what they have to say.
thankyou  AdoringLion
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7 Sep 11, 2:55 PM MissLioness UK(LS), 5 yrs 
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@ Sir Open Source ...hi, and thankyou, special needs as in children with behavioural problems, ie not going to school bullys he has been to two exclusion sites one for his own school and a sister school and he went back to his own exclusion site and now is meant to be back in the off site at the second school he attended not the exclusion one there are different. last resort schooling for pupils on last chances. AdoringLion
Edited 7 Sep 11, 2:56 PM by MissLioness
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7 Sep 11, 3:12 PM Ama_Sidero UK(GU), 7 yrs

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MissLioness wrote:
He has been told about the consquences of his actions and what might happen, so he does know,he has been to three schools including two of the schools exclusion sights he is not allowed to be in main stream school he lost that right. He has hardly been to school whilst with his dad over two and a half years and in the six seven months he has been with me, its now a constant battle, I will get in touch with the lea and see for myself what they have to say.
thankyou
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You are welcome. Just a final note: I'd recommend looking for one of the education support groups to contact. In Hampshire they were called "Parent Partnership", first. Mainly because in today's environment the LEA's are interested in saving money and not doing what is right.
ETA: Oh....and the main thing he has is a mom that cares about what happens to him and his future. Please don't undervalue that as it is priceless.
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Edited 7 Sep 11, 3:19 PM by Ama_Sidero
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7 Sep 11, 3:26 PM prettyPETunia UK(WS), 4 yrs
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Dont know if this will work or not, everything else has not worked so maybe, have one last stab at letting him know the consequences, then try taking the pressure off by ignoring his refusal to go. Let him have the power to go or not. Never mention it again. Be un-bothered. Restrict the attention you give him unless its something thats worth praise.
Iv really no idea, butlike I say, you've tried everything else, so why not? Excuse me, im thick
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7 Sep 11, 6:44 PM MissLioness UK(LS), 5 yrs 
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axlsub wrote:
Dont know if this will work or not, everything else has not worked so maybe, have one last stab at letting him know the consequences, then try taking the pressure off by ignoring his refusal to go. Let him have the power to go or not. Never mention it again. Be un-bothered. Restrict the attention you give him unless its something thats worth praise.
Iv really no idea, butlike I say, you've tried everything else, so why not?
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thankyou believe me as a parent I have tried all imaginable ways apart from handcuffing him to myself and dragging him to school .
AdoringLion
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7 Sep 11, 6:52 PM MissLioness UK(LS), 5 yrs 
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axlsub wrote:
Dont know if this will work or not, everything else has not worked so maybe, have one last stab at letting him know the consequences, then try taking the pressure off by ignoring his refusal to go. Let him have the power to go or not. Never mention it again. Be un-bothered. Restrict the attention you give him unless its something thats worth praise.
Iv really no idea, butlike I say, you've tried everything else, so why not?
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atm we are not talking and I know he is not liking it ( not my fault).. so already restricted one thing I am good at because I have had to be not wanted to be (tough life) is finding weaknesses quickly but one thing my son is good at is putting up defences at these weakneses there is one weakness he has but never ever would I attempt to use it against him as it would cause more harm than good.
I do not give up and will never give up no matter what.
I am a strong person life made me that way, but I have a heart as big as you like inside with a very soft centre and im very protective over my family and my friends. AdoringLion
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7 Sep 11, 8:16 PM MissLioness UK(LS), 5 yrs 
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Id just like to thankyou all for your advice and concerns they have been very helpful and positive oh and we are ALL having pizza even im not that cruel not yet anyway lol. have a great evening all and thanks loads.  AdoringLion
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8 Sep 11, 6:55 PM Elven_Eyes UK, 5 yrs
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I think it's a good idea. When I was suspended from school for 3 days for fighting, my mother forced me to do manual labor all of each day- weeding, scrubbing the floors on hands and knees, etc- for a solid 8 hours (minus 30 mins lunch) she stood over me with a figurative whip because, as she put it, if you don't value your education, this is all the work you will get and you'd better get some practice in now. I never got in trouble at school again!
Sounds to me that your son is old enough to see the obvious, he put himself in the school he doesn't like by his own behavior, and if he refuses to acknowledged the importance of his education he needs to accept the consequences on that refusal.
Stick to your guns. Always be there to listen, always be there with love, but don't be an enabler or a door mat. Tough love is the best kind for young men of that age, I've seen. And that includes my brother. "The chaperon is there to make sure no one else has any fun, but nobody chaperons the chaperon. That's why I'm so right for this job."
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