re closed thread: did Jesus exist, etc. (22)

The silky-smooth soothing voice of reason and logic. (You WILL feel much better and speak more sense while very securely tied-up...)

Oh, so you live on the Gaza strip, you mean? Or maybe Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iraq, the Yemen, or similar? Anywhere wanting independence, opposing the global enforcement of unwanted zionist paper currency?

Depends who you mean by 'we', of course. If you mean 'humanitarian-thinking-and acting people of jewish faith' I fully agree. But if 'protecting yourself' encompasses blind allegiance to 'corporate global military/idustrial/zionist forces', you've lost me there.

The silky-smooth soothing voice of reason and logic. (You WILL feel much better and speak more sense while very securely tied-up...)

A charitable reading suggests you were referring to extremism within the more politically motivated factions of the Zionist movement then and now.

Please be careful however about implied meaning, especially using elipses, without which your statement could be read: "shows what a madly fanatical bunch of misguided, mind-controlled zealots the factions were. And, in a jewish sense, clearly still are." -- encompassing the entire jewish religion/race/culture.

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(My bolds)

There you go with the world Zionist conspiracy again.

I don't know whether you think the word is a synonym for global capitalism or something but it isn't:

"Zionism (Hebrew: Tsiyonut) is a Jewish political movement that, in its broadest sense, has supported the self-determination of the Jewish people in a sovereign Jewish national homeland"

We are just want to live in the place we call call home. I would love to live in peace with our near neighbours but their definition of freedom and liberty doesn't quite match mine or the OED's.

There is only one democracy in the Near and Middle Easts and its worth defending.

"He took a single sip of her pain and found it exquisite"

Edited 31 Aug 11, 12:12 AM by Mad_Monk

To the "Israel just want to live in peace" bit. Erm. Not quite.

But criticising Israel is fine, just as it is fine to criticise the US gvt, the UK, France, Germany, Russia, China, any of the world powers and even the non-powers.

What is not fine is to state that most (or even some) Jewish people are somehow involved into some deep dark Jewish conspiracy to take over the world.

That's just outright lunatic and, on top, this kind of conspiracy reasoning helped justify one of the major atrocity of the 20th century.

Next, you're going to tell me that Obama isn't born in the USA and that the UN is planning to invade Wyoming...

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Edited 31 Aug 11, 7:03 AM by Gilles_de_Rais

Well you can recommend all sorts by Thiering but that won't stop most of it from being borderline fantasy.

With regards Tacitus and the Great Fire of Rome. There are a couple of things that make his account reliable/plausible in ways that the gospels can't also lay claim to. The first is that the fire is an event that occurred in his lifetime, we should probably assume that major news events that occurred in his lifetime are reasonably accurately recounted by him. In much the same way that in 30 years time I'll still remember the news of 9/11 even though I'm not a first hand witness. Next we know what his primary sources were (aside from it being in his living memory) and although we don't have extant copies we know they existed. And we have a reasonably good idea of the content of these primary sources and no reason to doubt that there would have been an account of the fire in one or more of them. Finally, and frankly most importantly, you have to consider the audience he was writing for; a great many of which would have been in Rome at the time of the fire. It would be uniquely peculiar for Tacitus to include an event that his readers would know to be false.

The gospels on the other hand are written at least a generation, and frequently more, after the events they portray, for an audience who also wasn't present at the events and can't refute what's said. And there is no clear idea of what the the primary sources are/were

Why dont you just call them ZOG, sounds like you want to.

Agree with you but this. Its illinois first as the black unmarked UN helicopters are parked just over the border in Canada.

Oh and casually following the where was Obama born saga, the one produced so far is a fake, supposed to be a "copy" or something.

Damn! I knew they'd do something like that. I mean, being a Dom, I was obviously part of the Take-Over-The-World plan but my subscription to the New World Order Conspiracy gazette ran out in 2008. You seem to have kept in touch.

How is our old friend Blofeld? Still stroking pussies in his spare time?

Since you did not add a smiley to that comment, I'll treat it seriously for a second. Obama and the relevant authorities released a long form birth certificate long ago. At this point, being a birther is to admit you won't be convinced by anything short of having been present at the Honolulu maternity 50 years ago.

Time travel services being what they are (I blame Einstein, who, by the way, was a Jew, a German Jew on top - could it all be a coincidence, I think not!), it can't be done so crazies will keep on spewing crazy theories.

But for anyone remotely sane, there is no doubt.

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