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I've heard a story this morning about a woman who's being evicted from her council home because her 18 year old son was involved in last week's riots.
I'm all for parents being responsible for their children and knowing where they are and what they're doing. However at 18 years of age, this boy is an adult who, surely needs to take responsibility for his own actions.
We don't punish the parents of adults (or children) who murder and rape, so shouild this woman and her 8 year old son be made homeless because of the behaviour of her adult son?
| 15 Aug 11, 12:21 PM Miss_Dee UK(L), 5 yrs   |
He may be down as joint tenant on the tenancy agreement or its is main address which is logged with who ever is the landlord. My youngest son is a joint tenant on mine and if he was convicted of anti social behavoiur that would be me out of my flat.........
(excuse the bad spelling I cant seem to sort out the spell check on this new laptop of mine Miss Dee | ||
| 15 Aug 11, 12:35 PM othyim NL, 3 yrs |
By far the best way to make absolutely sure that the 8 year old kid, in due time (like in 2 or 3 years), will follow his brothers example. Brilliant thinking indeed, illustrating very convincing responsible behaviour towards both the mother and the younger kid, as well as showing the ability to make distinctions . Now where did you say the bucket was? "Class is the impartial, consistent display of emotional integrity." Edited 15 Aug 11, 12:48 PM by othyim | ||
| 15 Aug 11, 2:41 PM Doghouse_Reilly UK(MK), 6 yrs  |
It's sick is what it is. I'll admit it's a little perverse to provide homes and benefits to people who have broken the law, but what's the alternative? I mean what's the best case scenario for kicking somebody onto the street? It's cruelty, simple as that. Typifies successive governments who have been happy to reward and protect wealthy failures while throwing the plebs under the bus. What annoys me the most about all this stuff is that, taken individually, the crimes that nearly all the rioters and looters committed are tiny. Broke a window, stole some stuff, it's really minor. When thousands of people are doing it, then it's a bit scary, sure, but the government reaction has been unreasonable bordering on the draconian. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. | ||
| 15 Aug 11, 7:50 PM DancesWithPussycats UK(TW), 7 yrs |
Although a particular individual rioter might personally only do some minor damage or steal something of little value, by partaking in the riot they are enabling others to burn buses, shops and homes, mug and hospitalise people, and even kill. I think legally they have some responsibilty for that. ETA, I don't think kicking a whole family out of their home is a reasonable response in a case where one person is a problem, the authorities should deal with that individual. It may be that they have a history of being a problem family and the kid being caught rioting is just the latest thing. International man of mystery Edited 15 Aug 11, 7:53 PM by DancesWithPussycats | ||
| 15 Aug 11, 10:10 PM emark UK, 9 yrs |
Collective punishment is not a good thing, and I worry where this line of thinking would leave (it is outlawed in the Geneva Convention for good reason). And having rioters homeless and on the streets is surely the opposite of what we want! Is this the story? http://news.sky.com/home/article/16049238 - what's particularly worrying is that the eviction notices are happening even before people are convicted... Sign the Consenting Adult Action Network's statement Edited 15 Aug 11, 10:11 PM by emark | ||
| 16 Aug 11, 12:12 AM Attitude_Adjuster UK(N), 6 yrs |
It would be interesting to see the tenancy term that allows the eviction.... It will be more interesting to see who picks up the bill for eviction and any subsequent obligations under the housing act as a result of making someone homeless. Gotta think there is some extremely fuck-witted counsellor out there thinking this is a cheap vote winner. And all men kill the thing they love, By all let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword! | ||
| 16 Aug 11, 8:07 AM Prunesquallor UK(RG), 7 yrs |
I suppose that what happened recently could be definied as people - for whatever reason - doing what they felt like doing, irrespective of society's norms - in order to make a point. It seems to me that those magistrates who are handing out ridiculous sentences, right left and centre, and those councils who are taking Draconian measures like this - are doing exactly the same thing. I really can't see the moral distinction between the two. Giving a first offender - a woman with two children - six months in jail for receiving a stolen pair of shorts is, to me, as much an anti-social act as setting fire to a shop. What we have to do in this country as a matter of urgency is to get rid of the corruption that permeates society. These extreme measures can be seen as a form of that corruption, part of the problem rather than the solution. 'To loose' means 'to let go'. 'Lose' means you can't find it. 'Discrete' means separate. 'Crescendo' means 'growing'. 'Fulsome' doesn't mean 'full'. 'Unique' doesn't mean 'very unusual'. | ||
| 16 Aug 11, 12:09 PM Incandescence UK, 3 yrs |
I wondered about that too but there was no mention of it in the report I saw. That's not to say it wasn't the case though, I suppose.
In the beginning god created man ... that was his first mistake ... everybody knows the lady should always come first | ||
| 16 Aug 11, 12:14 PM Incandescence UK, 3 yrs |
Yes, that looks like the one. I didn't even realise it was done before he's been convicted. I do ralise that the Government need too be seen to be taking a heavy hand on this. And I'm all for them doing thtat with those who were actually involved. But, going ina ll guns blazing and botting families out of their homes is, to me, inciteful. I'd be more inclined to 'demonstrate' about that than I would over the case that allegedly started all this. In the beginning god created man ... that was his first mistake ... everybody knows the lady should always come first | ||
| 16 Aug 11, 12:19 PM Incandescence UK, 3 yrs |
The report mentioned that they woulod be able to go into a private let (who'd have them with a referenace like that!), which, if the woman has rent benefit will be more expensive. Or, she can apply to a different council - who can also decide that they don't want them. If they do it's a change of area, school etc for the 8 year old. Not sure about a vote winner - riot starter more like ! In the beginning god created man ... that was his first mistake ... everybody knows the lady should always come first |
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