Breathplay gone wrong? (37)

You must live a quiet life, what it is like not going outside?

Agreed - One of the NASA programme managers said "insisting on perfect safety means not living in the real world". I don't think I do anything more dangerous than driving or crossing the road, but plenty of my friends do sub aqua, caving and climbing - glad none are now cave diving!

Remember - the stats say horse riding is more dangerous than taking ecstacy - I feel adults should be allowed to make informed decisions, and that a lot of drug laws are counterproductive and mathematically illiterate. My own views on drugs not withstanding if others wish to indulge in the privacy of their own homes I wouldn't normally interfere. When it impacts others, or where an addict asks for help it is a different matter.

And people have heart attacks during vanilla sex...

Have fun, be safe

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I read once that more accidents happen in the home than anywhere else, so I actually carry out a safety assessment before I poo each morning. And I make sure I have an up to date backup plan for each of the identified risks. After all, several people a year are found dead on the toilet, even the great Elvis Presley was killed by this hidden menace.

In order to make sure that I have adequate risk management of the issue, I have actually begun investigating the mean-time-to-failure of toilets and cisterns. Plus 8 people a year drown in the bath. Even more die from head injuries sustained from slipping in wet showers and bathroom floors. OMG, HOW many people die in their sleep each year? Are you serious?!??

Dear lord, is there NOWHERE safe any longer??!? Aaaaaaaggghhhh!!!!

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So you think you're good at risk assessment eh? why didn't you make an assessment before you posted, No-one told me Elvis had died and the shock caused me to break a fingernail.

It just shows what an imprecise science risk management is.

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What is there in place to protect them from the occasional person who may take advantage of them?

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Accidents in the home are the most common, it's best not to get out of bed

a. the idea some appear to have that knowing what to do, and researching it, can somehow make it safe to strangle someone in a sexual context. It can't, any more than going to ski school in the morning can make throwing yourself down a snowy mountainside in the afternoon risk-free. I sometimes wonder if some people on here know what taking a risk is - accepting that at times, very sadly, there's a possibility it can and will go wrong, but doing it anyway. Much like crossing the road, which a close member of my family died from doing. It hasn't made me stop crossing roads.

b. the suggestion that it is "jarring" because they were vulnerable adults; somehow they didn't know what they were doing or needed to be protected. Dear God, how far from all adults with learning difficulties, or whatever, should be sterilised/their sexuality controlled?

It may be a desperate defence of a cold killer looking for sympathy, who can tell. But if it's right that it was a tragic accident while they were enjoying something that I personally like muchly, why should we question the right of vulnerable adults to enjoy the same niche sexual practices that don't raise an eyebrow on this site for the rest of us?

Rant over. Feel better now.

I really agree - I work with vulnerable adults (in my case people with learning disabilities but 'vulnerable adults' could be someone with mental health issues, sensory impairment, physical disability or old and frail)and think that this highlights some real issues.

Within my job I see that there is a lack of 'real' sex eduction and on going support around sexuality, sexual practices (both vanilla and alternative) and access to information (in an easy to understand format) about some of the practices that most 'nilla people think of as taboo.

In addition to this there is a real aversion to dealing with sexual issues within social care, possibly due to the fear of being perceived as an 'abuser' i.e. if you support someone to buy a vibrator for instance - this could be twisted and turned to look like something more sinister than enabling someone to explore/enjoy their sexual needs.

I don't know what happened with this 'asphyxia' case, but I can't help but wonder what, if any support these vulnerable people had in making the most of their relationship in a safe, sane and consensual way.

Just to be clear though - I am in full favour of every individual having the rights, choice and freedom to partake in whatever sexual activity they wish but feel there needs to be real reform in the support practices of vulnerable people around sexuality.

Edited 6 Aug 11, 8:32 PM by Chocolate_Kitten

Sure, other activities might be more risky, but that's no reason to be blind to the risks.

If that's the defence being run, hope they got the right expert witnesses.

In terms of consent, a professional needs to assess that a person does not have the capacity to consent before any choice is denied them (even something which is clearly damaging)

Unless someone has a severe learning disabiity of is in the middle of a serious mental health breakdown, then it is almost impossible to make that call. The reason being is that everyone, even those more vulnerable people, have the right to choose to do things that are not really good for them. Let's face it, lots of people who are not deemed to be vulnerable make decisions in life which may not be good for them. I know I certainly do and have. I wouldn't want that choice removed.

It is a difficult one though.