potential fetish club (97)

Getting to the point, before the sales spiel, I am looking for a few fetish club goers who are willing to risk a few pounds a week to get a fetish venue up and running in Derby with the chance of a little payback profit and obviously privileges for being there at the beginning. I also would like an indication of anyone interested in attending a new venue in Derby. I would think this support will not be needed for longer than 6 months (at about £5 per week paid monthly as this is safest for you) as it will be self supporting by then or, I suppose, died a sad death if folks don't need a BDSM venue.

WHY I AM AFTER IT

There is strong reasoning behind this idea, and I am sorry it you already grasp this simple concept: The 20 stakeholders, I believe, will want to come along and try to make the club succeed, one; so they have somewhere to go and two; so they get their money back. If each brings a partner/friend and each stakeholder attends the venue once a month the club will have a minimum of 20 guests per event - not including "normal" non-stakeholder visitors. With, let's say, 30 folks attending there will be a good atmosphere, lots of chat and enough play to make it a good night out and a night they will want to repeat.

WHAT YOU RISK and GET

As this seems to be a major topic of discussion, if you contribute you will, after 8 months (if the club is still going) get between 4 and 8 free entries (worth approx £28 - £56 (approx 20% - 40% return) for a max support of £120). After a year (if the club is still running) you will get your money back - I hope that clears things up a little.

THE IDEA

I am attempting to open the club in Derby, a full time venue, which can be hired, during the week, for photo sessions or just one on one fun and, obviously, for fetish nights. It will open for 2 nights a month, one Friday and one Saturday and maybe for midweek midday events too. It will, at the beginning, have a smallish range of furniture to play on but I am aiming to plough back all money into the venue to get more equipment until it is fully loaded. I am thinking of an entrance fee of £7.50 or £12 couples with none alcoholic drinks available and you will be able to bring a small amount of your own booze if you wish. I am also looking for a house Fem Dome so if you wish to be there from the start speak up and say hello It will be a play-space/dungeon and not a swinger's venue but I may have one bed for play if folks wish it and if you and your sub feel the force then that is for you to decide.

So I thought I would see what response I got to this cheeky idea.

Size of Venue Front area: 29 x 27ft or 8.9 x 8.3m Rear area: 29 x 27.5ft or 8.9 x 8.4m Fridge space and maybe changing: 7 x 6ft or 2.25 x 2m

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Edited Mon 8 Aug 11, 3:04 PM by Dantes_Collective

1) You have no chance of getting 20 people to cough up £10 a month. There have been previous failed attempts to do the same and you aren't offering anything they didn't.

2) I used to help run a club, we had over 100 people some months and we had a turnover of about £6500 and we charged 6 - 8 quid to get in. Let us say you charge £10, your turnover would be £9,000 if you could get the same number of people. You won't because your venue isn't big enough.

3) I had a look at what rents were being asked for similar sized establishments in Derby and they were about £10,000 a year + VAT plus rates. Let us say you get a good deal on the rent, that means £8000 + VAT or £9,600. Then we have rates and electricity and water on top of that. You need to be looking at an income of £1,300 a month, or £32.50 per person if you get in 40 people. People buy about 2 and a half soft drinks each over the course of an evening, so with £10 to get in you are going to have to price a can of coke at £8.88.

4) If you are renting somewhere, how are you getting the money up front? Commercial rents tend to be in advance.

5) If you are buying the venue with your own money all the above is irrelevant, but then you wouldn't be asking for others to chip in.

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Ooo my first post as well.

all the above plus: i don't live locally but before i gave money (even if only 10 pounds)to someone i would want to have some certainty (i.e. the recipient is not running off with the money!)

call me cynic if you want but i generally only give money to charities or people i know and trust.

why don't you, instead, start by organising special parties in already established venues and then, once people know you (and you know what the local kinsters want) then may be approach individuals who might be interested.

only a suggestion of course...

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Edited 4 Aug 11, 12:48 AM by Mr_Smith_UK

Who has to have a music licence? Any location or premises, outside of home, where music is played from clubs to concert halls, from discos to dentists' waiting rooms and from trains to takeaways. The owner/proprietor of the premises is normally responsible for obtaining a Music Licence for the public performance of copyright music.

It is amazing how many facts get spouted by those that know nothing about my venue, you have read my profile I hope.

My fixed weekly outgoing is just under £200 My variable cost vary dependant on the venue use, no use no costs.

Also, are all the fetish world so small minded and petty that they think a con is worth running for £5? Why the hell would I set up a con for £5 a week that can be checked on and cancelled immediately. There is a maximum 'risk' of £120 over 6 months and those paying will be attending the club so will see it operating.

I also said I would charge £7 for entry: £7 x 20 visitors is £140, so I should almost break even two weeks out of four if these 20 visitors are joined by a couple more and all buy a drink or two.

This is a full time venue, not small and bigger than many clubs I have attended in the last 3 years, I do not have to rent it from a swingers club so I can have Friday and Saturday events, which is not common nowadays.

This is also not a money making enterprise, for me, as the club night might never cover the venue costs and I will continue to work as normal if the venue is taken or not. Derby does have a club, bi monthly on a Monday night, it also has a no nudity policy (or it did the last time I attended) I will not have this restriction: I will also be available 24/7 with daytime events and weekend events too.

I have to pay 1 month in advance for rent, I have to take a 12 month rolling lease and I have a pot of cash which will just about see the club open, equipped and usable. It is clearly stated the reasoning behind the stakeholder idea is to get 'loyalty' which in turn will give the club time to get known about and so will increase the guests.

Badg3r: if you want to chat send me your email address or phone number.

I am surprised by the ongoing dumb ideas about renting an established venue at the weekend. NO VENUE will give up a Friday or Saturday night to 30 fetish visitors when they can get 100+ vanilla or swingers attending spending a hell of a lot more money.

Nottingham to Birmingham is 50 miles at least, an hour's drive, Derby is 30 minutes at most, 25 by train and a short walk to my venue. There are not that many between the two, most being IN Birmingham or its suburbs and I'm not sure how many are on at the weekend either which I am continually being told is what folks want.

My local council licencing officer says I do not need a music licence from them and I hope they should know.

So you're looking for 20 people to cover half your fixed costs (@£5 per month)? Lets say your get your 30 people per month to begin with, say 10 couples (@£12) and 10 singles (@£7); that's approx £190. So with investment and takings your first night has cleared £290. Less your fixed costs; are your variable costs (venue hire etc...) really less than £90 per month? That seems very unlikely.

Having promoted clubs on and off in the past, Bohanza's number square much more with my experience. It's way more expensive than you think it is going to be. With some rare exceptions most successful club nights I know of ran at a loss for at least the first 12 months. And even seemingly successful clubs often do little more than break even, on costs alone with nothing to show by way of profit, salaries or "dividends". You need sufficient investment to cover that. Word of mouth is seldom sufficient to grow your audience so you'll need investment to cover that too. And frankly even at £5 per month the return you're offering on this investment hardly seems worth it.

And for that reason I'm out.

Having said all that if you're confident your figures are good and I've missed something them I'm sure these guys will be willing to hear you out: http://www.lbangels.co.uk/

Edited 4 Aug 11, 11:44 AM by AstronautMikeDexter