Whats happening to club etiquette (96)

I don't care what other people do as long as it doesn't cause trouble for me, and inn return, I try to not interfere with any one else's enjoyment of the event... As the bottom, I want to enjoy the scene, the head space and not get knocked out of it just as the cane comes down because some drunk likes my shoes and just had to tell me about it just then or because a camera flash goes off. It takes away control from Master when others are inconsiderate.

I do think sometimes one can get so comfortable in a club that one might forget the etiquette. Posters on the wall- who reads em? They don't apply to *us* anyway- like the no-smoking signs. Those are for the new people...

When people find out about a party, somewhere between the "Have you heard about our event on the 32nd?" and "that will be £20 please" it would be nice to have something that says "we're sorry we have to say this but, Please respect other people, their physical space, their property and their scenes, and they will do the same for you. If you need help understanding what any of that means, please ask one of the nice DMs who will be happy to explain it. If there is a problem, the "problem" may be asked to leave without refund".

Yes I agree with your point about the police looking younger but their standards have not changed much and they still know what is and is not acceptable.

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This thread definitely needs more Lewis Carroll pastiches

"Morality, like art, means drawing a line someplace." - Oscar Wilde

Dunno. Ask Ian Tomlinson. Ah, wait...you can't.

Better ask the top dudes at Scotland Yard....oh, no, hang on...they're all out partying with Murdoch....

hmmm. Tricky.

Edited 3 Aug 11, 12:13 PM by OrdinaryCouple

As someone previously mentioned the smaller, vetted more exclusive clubs do not seem to have the problem for a number of reasons. Such as more experienced attendees, the organisers often make a greater effort to ensure the attendees have a set of the rules/sense of the ethos and its easier to manage a smaller number of people

I think the biggest problem at Pedestal is the apparent lack of House Dommes compared to the number of attendees, which is more of an issue considering it is an open club and not everyone will understand/know the etiquette. Although there is no exucse for the blatent rudeness and general lack of respect of some

My solution for those talking too loud, is to get the first 'Fuck Off' in. Generally works! For those who touch, either my gear, or sub, is to hit with whatever I have in my hand, then say 'Fuck Off'. People who are too close. Get the Singletail out. I get enough space then.

I can normally disappear into my space when concentrating on whoever I'm hitting. Calling my name is the one thing that will break my concentration. There is someone on the scene, who has been around for ages. Twice now he has shouted over to say goodbye while I'm in the middle of something. I've told him don't ever do it again...

Owner of The Croppery Dungeon and Breakfast. Organises The St Leonards munch.

I would agree wholeheartedly with this. As others have said, a lot of newer (not necessarily younger) people are coming to clubs without as much experience, and to an extent it is only to be expected that many behave as they do in regular clubs.

Some clubs have a big poster at the door explaining etiquette, others have a few A4 posters here and there but whilst it is a good point of reference, it isn't enough to expect people to read these word for word. DMs need to be more proactive in some clubs, not to spoil people's fun but to be a visible presence and to promote good behaviour. Often it isn't until things escalate to some sort of unpleasantness where others are called and it is often too late by then.

I also feel that some clubs are too scared about enforcing their own rules (eg no phones) for fear of causing confrontation and to often turn a blind eye and again let problems build up until it is too late.

Whilst some problems may be caused by people just being more ignorant that we would expect, more people seem to be at clubs who haven't played to such a level and may genuinely not know what the problem is with stumbling too close to someone who has just had a good kicking or has a back full of needles. Again education and thoughtful layout of clubs could alleviate this. ...A club I went to last year just dumped all their equipment in a room with an entrance and exit (at the Colosseum) which made it a big thoroughfare crammed with people. Whilst it was easy to get annoyed with the people whoo got too close and either spoiled our enjoyment or got hurt themselves, it was more the organiser to blame for not organising the place better, controlling the numbers or having adequate DMs.

Having been quite critical in this thread, it is also important to realise that not all new people are like this - at a club recently, someone waited until we had finished playing and then had a chat about the club, relationships and dynamics as he was new to such scenes.

Edited 3 Aug 11, 12:38 PM by teufel_tanz

But you did just point the finger at younger people.

If the problem is the influx of inexperienced people, irrespective of age, why didn't you just say that?

And/or if there is an adjunct problem of less proactive DM activity you could have added that too.

You could have said any of that instead of banging on and on about young and younger people (females, no less)?

The point is roundly that your claims of not being anti-young-people don't hold up when compared to what you've said previously.

Basically as I am seeink it, Ray, the problem is that you are not callink your girlfriend for five months. You see, the hot babies like to feel wanted. If you are not callink them on the phone for a while, it is like a way of saying "you are worst song, played on ugliest guitar"