News of the World 4 (96)

Ah here.

So, it all got rather personal didn't it?

Ash didn't like what I said, so came back with a few choice insults. He had a go at arguing his case by dressing up his outrage with faux facts, but that's just what happens I guess when he knows he's on dodgy ground.

It's okay to disagree with me Ashy-pooh's – but just because you disagree with me, doesn't make you right. It doesn't make me right either, but like you, I believe what I say is correct.

Sites *like* IC are for people to commodify their sex lives for the monetary gain of others. You may want to deny that, and that's your right, but I still stand by it.

However, I don't think it's a bad thing. It's cool. Have no problem with it.

Some people, took issue with me drawing a parallel between what people do with their sex lives on Sex related Internet Sites, and what the NoTW does (well did). I did not say that the people on those sites invaded privacy (although some clearly do when they get pissed off with people when relationships fail or they get annoyed) – what I'm saying is that when you factor in the motivation, the desire to profit out of people's sex lives (Again, I'm not saying they *do* make a profit, but I would be flabbergasted to find out all these sites were set up for pure altruistic reasons) Perhaps they're set up for profit, lust for peer kudos, with the fluffy by-product of altruism.

I have said before publically and privately to Tanos that I have nothing against IC and its ilk, I have a lot to thank IC for, but just pointing out what I think shouldn't be a problem, especially if I'm the only one who thinks it. Again, I may be in a minority, but that doesn't make me wrong.

When we look at the mob behaviour on these sites, the Torches and Pitchforks we can indeed draw parallels between what happens on those sites, and what happens in wider society over issues like BDSM. It's a *human* failing to carry on in that way – to pick on the minority, to bolster the self esteem of the group. NoTW picks on PWPBDSM, PWPBDSM pick on male subs, Dim Doms etc etc. I like to point out the hypocrisy, in very much the same way that Tanos, Ash, emark et al like to point out what they see as my hypocrisy. I can't blame them for acting like Humans when they feel their ideas are challenged or threatened. I do the same. I do enjoy a good row though.

I am sad at the passing of the NoTW – I'm not sad because of the horrible methods it used, but I'm sad to see something that was a campaigning newspaper sacrificed to Murdoch's crusade for power, influence and riches. I alluded to the fact that I have had close encounters with people being outed. A very good friend of mine was outed back the in the eighties, it wasn't a fun time for him. And although I have sympathies with him, I like to remain objective about these things, see the bigger picture. And that's what I'm attempting to do here.

I do believe, and will argue to the very end that there is no concerted effort in the media to attack BDSM. It is a fallacy to believe such a thing, when all the evidence points to the fact it's about salaciousness and a love of scandal. The press *rarely* (I don't say never) just focus on the BDSM – Mosely was a target because he was a hypocrite, not because he was into BDSM. I believe that, the evidence points to it, and as I've said before PWPBDSM are *such* an easy target to identify that if there was a concerted effort to *out* them, a lot more would be. It's just that the majority of us are not famous enough or interesting enough to warrant it. We wouldn't sell Newspapers.

So in closing, and in anticipation from the torrents of abuse from the usual suspects, I'd just like to say – I enjoy my BDSM, I hope you do too.

Have a cracking day.

Pan

Just remember, when you think you're free, that crack inside your fucking heart is me.

The journalists have not gone, the newspaper is still there, but under a different name.

The wrong people lost their jobs.

There will be a bill in parliament, some pretentious dickhead will throw a padi and the end result will be the square root of zero.

Brand new School, fun for all, www.stAudries-at-ouse.co.uk for details..

Gets out the deck chair and glass iced tea, the pop corn..to watch the crowd of burnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn them/lynch mob gather...

Yours is not to reason why, yours is but to do or cry.

We had picked up on that.

Was this the great retort you promised us ? Forgive me for being underwhelmed.

All you've done is repeat the same nonsense as before.

You've thrown around a few of your own, sweetcheeks. Don't get all holier than thou.

But anyway, let's get back to your main point, which is:

Of course I deny it. That's because it's wrong. And don't change the issue by talking about sites *like* IC - your earlier point was about IC specifically. You were wrong then, and you're wrong now.

You talk about being in a minority. You're right. You're in a minority of one. Not because you're special, or because no-one else gets your *unique* brand of logic, but because you're wrong. Does the fact that no-one else has agreed with you over four threads not tell you something ?

Anyway, I've worked out the real reason you're not happy. I've checked your profile, and you're clearly David Baddiel. Are you just annoyed that the NoTW hasn't outed you, and now it's too late ?

PS. I liked 3 Lions. Good tune.

" Under this playful, boyish exterior beats the heart of a ruthless, sadistic maniac "

Edited 9 Jul 11, 10:24 AM by AshUK

Good for you, but if this is the case, where the fuck's my slice of the pie? I've got student loans to pay off!

Basically as I am seeink it, Ray, the problem is that you are not callink your girlfriend for five months. You see, the hot babies like to feel wanted. If you are not callink them on the phone for a while, it is like a way of saying "you are worst song, played on ugliest guitar"

Ah, more of the same.

Next.

Just remember, when you think you're free, that crack inside your fucking heart is me.

Never mind the student loan - where are all the sex lives??!! All I seem to see on here are spats (and I'm not talking footwear)!

[I have now opened a book on whether or not this will out-run Rocky. Odds for a 6th thread or running at 16/1 and dropping....... 7th thread still holding at 50/1]

Love is when you kiss all the time. Then when you get tired of kissing, you still want to be together and you talk more.

Giggle giggle giggle. Sx

Why are they whining ? They have only been exposed for what they are.......... They don't like their own medicine !

You are a contrarian. You're deliberately taking an antagonistic and provocative position in order to flex your argument muscles and your argument is mercurial because it was weak to begin with.

You have reverted to the cornerstones of the argument of the know-it-all who didn't know it all:

a) Telling people you've 'touched a nerve' (ooh, calm down, I'm obviously getting to you), which is designed to provoke an opponent's aggression and trick them into deviating from their point (which you are finding it hard to counter) and into the more fertile area of personal insults, where you will be safe defending yourself with a few easy techniques.

2. Reiterating your main and most tenable point as if that was the only thing people objected to, ignoring the sloppy logic that was really at issue.

iv) Talking quite a lot about how you're not wrong.

Thirdly, preparing an exit strategy- 'in summary, I'm off'. God knows why you would do this on a new thread, though.

Anyway, I like you sometimes. You're not afraid to take an unpopular position and argue it, and 'communities' like this will probably benefit from having the status quo challenged from time to time.

That said, you should at least realise that the only reason you're engaging in this debate is to play that role. I'm not even convinced you believe in your own reasoning.

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