29 Jun 11, 4:51 PM
Winston_Smith
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redgerbil wrote:
masterschoice wrote:
sensory_acuity wrote:
CaptainQuo wrote:
You mean Christianity? 
For all the nonsense people spew about Islam, they don't seem to remember what Christian civilisations were doing while they were making breakthroughs in medicine and science in the medieval Arab world.
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I'd be interested to know just which advances in medicine and science you might be referring to here.
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It is accepted that (at the least) Islam protected and passed on knowledge that had been destroyed in Europe in the early medieval period. This includes many of the Greek philosophers, mathematicians, physicians etc...
There is evidence that islam provided further scientific developments - the words algebra, alchemy etc. Zero was imported into europe through the translation of Arabic books.
It is certainly the case that the caliphate was a far better place to do science or medicine than Christian Europe during the middle ages. Christian scientists had major problems with the church (even when both clergy and working for it, as Nicolas Copernicus found), and it wasn't until the enlightenment that you could really say that science was being led by western Europe.
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This is all true but unfortunately Islam nor any other religion has moved on in the modern world and all of them cling to outdated practices and ideas 
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I'm sure the practitioners of said religion are grateful for your incisive wisdom. Cunt busting is the new black.
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29 Jun 11, 6:18 PM
CaptainQuo
UK(AB), 2 yrs
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sensory_acuity wrote:
masterschoice wrote:
sensory_acuity wrote:
CaptainQuo wrote:
You mean Christianity?
For all the nonsense people spew about Islam, they don't seem to remember what Christian civilisations were doing while they were making breakthroughs in medicine and science in the medieval Arab world.
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I'd be interested to know just which advances in medicine and science you might be referring to here.
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It is accepted that (at the least) Islam protected and passed on knowledge that had been destroyed in Europe in the early medieval period. This includes many of the Greek philosophers, mathematicians, physicians etc...
There is evidence that islam provided further scientific developments - the words algebra, alchemy etc. Zero was imported into europe through the translation of Arabic books.
It is certainly the case that the caliphate was a far better place to do science or medicine than Christian Europe during the middle ages. Christian scientists had major problems with the church (even when both clergy and working for it, as Nicolas Copernicus found), and it wasn't until the enlightenment that you could really say that science was being led by western Europe.
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Thank you Masterschoice. I'll take a look into that when I have more time.
Apologies to the OP as I do feel that all this has contributed nothing to the subject of the original thread. While I am aware that there is major censorship in many of those countries that we consider are not a part of the 'free' world, I have to say that freedoms are being rapidly eroded everywhere today and I fear that in time, the free world may no longer exist.
What I'd just like to say to CaptainQuo is that yes there have been martyrs in the name of Christianity but to site this as an argument against religion to my mind is not particularly valid. People throughout history have given up their lives for many causes which are not related to religion. Look up the Tolpuddle martyrs for instance and you will see an example from England's history.
In most cases martyrdom has been the giving of ones own life for a cause. In the case of Islamic Extremism they have given suicidal murder the name martyrdom which may help to justify their actions in their own minds but in fact there can be no justification for these acts.
Finally, at the time that Jesus (westernised name for Yeshua) gave up his life there was no religion named Christianity and from what I have read Yeshua himself had no intention of spearheading a new religion. Christianity was invented some time after this event and Yeshua was taken as it's figurehead. Any later acts of violence perpetrated by the 'Christian' movement were not taught by Yeshua.
Edited to add a missing word. I must try to remember to use the preview button!
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The point you seem to be missing however, is that Christianity is a crusading religion, just as Islam is. Both religions survive by actively seeking converts and eliminating the opposition. Both are Abrahamic, with ideas of punishment in the form of hell and rewards for heaven. As such, both religions leave their beliefs open to sabotage by hateful, fire-and-brimstone types.
Both you and tallandtattooed appear to think I'm defending extremism. Im not, nor have I ever. I am in fact defending regular muslims from the accusations of extremism and the half-arsed belief that Islam is somehow inherently "evil". Demonising a religion and all those who practice it does nobody any favours.
Can I point out to tallandtattooed that both the bible and the koran say some pretty awful things. It depends not how "evil" the religion is (applying absolute, moralistic terms to something that is subjective is, ironically, uniquely characteristic of crusading religions) but rather personal interpretation. Perhaps some Islamic nations are stuck in the past or worse but not every Muslim is (you'll notice, Turkey is particularly secularised despite being 98.8% Muslim). Just as there are thousands of bigoted, intolerant Christians. Most Muslims and Christians will interpret their holy books metaphorically, not literally. It's the few that do that get it catastrophically wrong. Edited 29 Jun 11, 6:28 PM by CaptainQuo
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29 Jun 11, 7:52 PM
MissKimberley
NL, 8 yrs
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tallandtattooed wrote:
Quran 9:5 - "Slay the non-believers wherever you find them..."
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Have you ever read the bible? Cos they're some horrific shit that makes that quote look like a cuddly toy. “During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act” - George Orwell
"In order to be irreplaceable, one must always be different" - Coco Chanel
Please check out @FemDom_Forum too!
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29 Jun 11, 9:14 PM
tightrope35
UK(RG), 6 yrs
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Kitty_Fantastico wrote:
Kinky websites banned in certain countries
I'm currently in Istanbul for business - and whilst I can easily get into IC - I was shocked to see that Collarme has been blocked by the state.
Is IC or similar sites banned in other countries?
Interestingly I can get into most of my favourite porn sites - so have no idea why Collarme has been singled out (yes maybe they do have taste over here  )
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Never mind all this religious stuff, and the freedom you have at home. Remember that from the start of this year your Service Provider in the UK has to keep records of what you have been looking at and hand them over to officialdom on demand. Some freedom! It all beats the shit out of me...
Edited 29 Jun 11, 9:31 PM by tightrope35
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30 Jun 11, 10:00 AM
verte
UK(E), 8 yrs
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Some countries with heavy censorship laws over sexual content are secular, which suggest there are other factors than religion at play (DUUUUH): Australia being the prime example. Railing against the tyranny of 'common sense'.
http://www.backlash-uk.org.uk
http://www.kinkysalonlondon.co.uk
Edited 30 Jun 11, 10:01 AM by verte
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