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Extremes and Consent (49)

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Sat 21 May 11, 12:49 PM
valleyrose17
UK(BS), 2 yrs
I know someone who was asked by a girl to nail her to a tree crucifxion style. She asked him to do it - he was happy to do it, they were not in a DS relationship and for one reason or another - mostly practicalities - it didn't happen.

My question is this - I consider this request to be extreme - when someone gives their consent for something like this would some Doms take that on face value and do it? And if not - say they try to get to know the sub a bit more first - are they really qualified to say that the sub is in a position to be giving consent to something as extreme as this? And where do you draw the line as to what is too extreme and what is not? Is that what the current laws are trying to achieve by saying you can't consent to being hurt?

I am trying not to be judgemental about people's kinks but I have to say when I heard this story it made me very uncomfortable.

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21 May 11, 1:00 PM
Ama_Sidero
UK(GU), 7 yrs


I wouldn't. Not knowing someone might mean that I don't know that they might not decide it was a bad idea and then claim it wasn't consentual or something.

Also, for all I joke about things, I wouldn't do something "extreme" without really trying to do thorough research about it first. I would seriously question the "informed consent" given by someone requesting "extreme" acts from a stranger.

Of course, "extreme" is subjective, isn't it.

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21 May 11, 1:41 PM
Der_Morgenstern
UK(LA), 7 yrs
Catholics in the Philipines still do crucifixions, including the nails...

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-22/news/...

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21 May 11, 1:49 PM
WykD_Dave
UK(DE), 9 yrs

Some people have consented to being killed dismembered and eaten.

The point being that just because someone said that they consented to an 'extreme' act (whatever that might be) doesn't mean that they were in any fit state to do so.

Some people like some pretty permanent stuff like scarifications, branding and so on.

Personally that's not my bag, and I certainly wouldn't be crucifying someone just because they said they'd like to be.

I pretty much draw the line at things that will deliberately and permanently scar, maim, or otherwise cause permanent or unrecoverable damage.

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21 May 11, 1:59 PM
DrMajolica
UK(NR), 6 yrs

Sometimes people ask for things when theyre in a variety of mental states. Its prudent to establish WHY theyre asking for that, and what theyre REALLY asking for. I think the response to the request is as important as the request. (And isnt that topping from the bottom etc...)

And its not nice to kill people and shit. It really gets you a bad name.

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21 May 11, 2:13 PM
NewEnglishmanYork
UK(ME), 13 mths

DrMajolica wrote:
And its not nice to kill people and shit. It really gets you a bad name.

Also, you simply would not believe the paperwork involved afterwards. It's a real drag.

21 May 11, 2:29 PM
ThRobin
UK(SE), 19 mths
The woman in the OP might be under the delusion that nailed crucifixions can be "safe" - after all it happens in the Philippines every year!

In reality, the best case scenario would be one person with debilitating permanent nerve damage and possibly another spending time in prison.

Safe, historically accurate crucifixions are possible, as long as one uses rope instead of nails (as Romans often did, to prolong suffering). If someone has fantasies along these lines, I would suggest guiding them in that direction.

Edited 21 May 11, 2:32 PM by ThRobin

21 May 11, 2:29 PM
Persia_Porsche
UK(EH), 3 yrs
I wouldn't call being nailed to a tree necessarily that out there - if it's done right could be a very intense experience without doing too much damage ...

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21 May 11, 2:42 PM
Haemogoblin
4 yrs
valleyrose17 wrote:
Extremes and Consent

I know someone who was asked by a girl to nail her to a tree crucifxion style. She asked him to do it - he was happy to do it, they were not in a DS relationship and for one reason or another - mostly practicalities - it didn't happen.

My question is this - I consider this request to be extreme - when someone gives their consent for something like this would some Doms take that on face value and do it? And if not - say they try to get to know the sub a bit more first - are they really qualified to say that the sub is in a position to be giving consent to something as extreme as this? And where do you draw the line as to what is too extreme and what is not? Is that what the current laws are trying to achieve by saying you can't consent to being hurt?

I am trying not to be judgemental about people's kinks but I have to say when I heard this story it made me very uncomfortable.

i'd have thought "get to know the sub" [probably more than a little better!] would be common sense in that sort of situation? Tbh i'd avoid anyone, sub or dom, who'd jump at the chance to do this sort of thing without knowing the other party well.

But that's just me! i'm sure there are plenty of people that don't see it as that extreme, and you're right - where do you draw the line?

Perhaps that is what those laws were trying to achieve, who knows! Reading through 'em i still don't see how their implementation will achieve it though, it's pretty ridiculous.

21 May 11, 2:42 PM
ThRobin
UK(SE), 19 mths
Persia_Porsche wrote:
I wouldn't call being nailed to a tree necessarily that out there - if it's done right could be a very intense experience without doing too much damage ...

Piercings done completely through the hands, feet or wrists? Maybe if done by a competent medical doctor whose thoroughly researched the situation, and is also into BDSM - not sure how many of those there are. But Joe Dom, who's just willing to do it? I don't think so.

Edited 21 May 11, 2:46 PM by ThRobin

21 May 11, 2:55 PM
ironmaster
7 yrs
This crucifixion story is about as likely as Salma Hayek asking me for rough sex.

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