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15 May 11, 7:34 PM
not_lost_still_lady
UK(PE), 22 mths


lisal wrote:

My preference is to play with somebody who has never subbed/switched. It just works best for me. That doesn't mean I have anything against switches in any way shape or form - indeed I have good friends who switch.

Many Doms will spend a period of time as a sub so they understand more of the whys of how the sub reacts. It does not mean that they are subs or switches though and as such are to be welcomed rather than rejected.

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15 May 11, 7:51 PM
Der_Morgenstern
UK(LA), 7 yrs
I started off as a sub, then got to a point where I didn't enjoy it any longer. I went dom and I have no desire to go back to being sub, despite some very nice offers.

"We're all living in a freakshow Man, it's called life. Buy a ticket and enjoy the ride." Foamy The Squirrel

15 May 11, 7:58 PM
lisal
9 yrs
not_lost_still_lady wrote:
lisal wrote:

My preference is to play with somebody who has never subbed/switched. It just works best for me. That doesn't mean I have anything against switches in any way shape or form - indeed I have good friends who switch.

Many Doms will spend a period of time as a sub so they understand more of the whys of how the sub reacts. It does not mean that they are subs or switches though and as such are to be welcomed rather than rejected.

I've got to say not in my experience. In fact I can't think of one.

And, anyway, I've never really gone for this trying it from the other side - especially with D/s. You can do it - but you can't get how a particular sub feels in their head - just by doing it. The best domme I've ever known can get how my D/s head is and she has never subbed

But - hey - I've said all along it ain't logical in the cold light of day to others outside my head space. And it may be because of my own experiences that I now think this way

:) :)

15 May 11, 8:16 PM
steelhouse
UK(E), 11 yrs

not_lost_still_lady wrote:
lisal wrote:

My preference is to play with somebody who has never subbed/switched. It just works best for me. That doesn't mean I have anything against switches in any way shape or form - indeed I have good friends who switch.

Many Doms will spend a period of time as a sub so they understand more of the whys of how the sub reacts. It does not mean that they are subs or switches though and as such are to be welcomed rather than rejected.

I can't think of a single one either, I always knew I was Dom and wouldn't be baring my arse for a whooping from anyone. Its just not in me.

But if it floats your boat, go for it.

But in your way of thinking, how many subs spend time as a Dom, so they understand the Doms better?

Edited 15 May 11, 8:18 PM by steelhouse

15 May 11, 8:53 PM
ClassAct2005
UK(N), 7 yrs
Neither can I of people I've known. Most are like I am but in reverse- cannot imagine being the other way. Just as since I was 5 or earlier I've never fantasised or been anything but sub.

However that doesn't mean everyone is always the same. Also some people are bisexual not gay and some don't realise they are gay until they are older etc. It's just that I am much more into men who are very sure of their sexuality and never swayed because that mirrors me - inherently and always so. I don't want someonew ho might change his mind or half way in say... hey why don't you spank me.

steelhouse wrote:
not_lost_still_lady wrote:
lisal wrote:

My preference is to play with somebody who has never subbed/switched. It just works best for me. That doesn't mean I have anything against switches in any way shape or form - indeed I have good friends who switch.

Many Doms will spend a period of time as a sub so they understand more of the whys of how the sub reacts. It does not mean that they are subs or switches though and as such are to be welcomed rather than rejected.

I can't think of a single one either, I always knew I was Dom and wouldn't be baring my arse for a whooping from anyone. Its just not in me.

But if it floats your boat, go for it.

But in your way of thinking, how many subs spend time as a Dom, so they understand the Doms better?

15 May 11, 9:34 PM
Diablos_patience
UK, 6 yrs
I have always maintained that i would never be able to submit to someone who switched pretty much for the exact same reasons that you state... which is kinda odd as i myself switch but i never cross the boundaries in any relationship.... im either submissive, but only to my owners... or dominant.

~* Raku wa ku no tané; ku wa raku no tané. *~

16 May 11, 8:20 AM
lisal
9 yrs
SheilaBlyge wrote:
I totally understand that people can feel submissive and nothing else, and I can totally understand that they don't ever want to be involved with someone who switches at the time of their relationship.

I'm just bemused by the continuing lack of comprehension of what switching might or might not be.

I know doms and dommes that switch because they are also masochistic. But they NEVER submit. Ever. How does that affect their inherent dominance and ability to dominate their sub?

I know dom/mes who have switched in the past, either during a period of experimentation or because they genuinely enjoy both sides but have become completely mono dominant in their current relationship. How does THAT affect their ability to dominate their sub?

It doesn't. It might not be to everyone's taste, which is fine, but to continually assume that people who admit to being switch are somehow so not in control of themselves that massive internal conflict means they're less dominant and less worthy of respect is a bit crazy. And the assumption that switches need/want both sides at the same time is wrong. Some do, some don't.

I have to say, most of the switches I know well (as in good friends), are actually dominant by nature, in all areas of their lives including BDSM. I can only think of one person that I'd say was naturally submissive, with a toppy streak. Actually make that two, including me! And I actually only want to top someone who wants me to top them... so even my toppy part is submissive.

I guess people who have never switched will never understand switches.

Interesting post

:) :)

I am not sure that some switches can fully understand someone who is completely submissive/dominant/sadistic/masochistis either. Switches have the experience of subbing/domming/beating/being beaten/etc (whatever part works for them). But that doesn't mean they can totally get what it is like to be all one way or the other

And, in a way, you've made this point with your questions about "How does this effect their ability to..?" It doesn't as you say but it effects how some of us see a D/s relationship. I am not sure anyone on this thread (sorry haven't got time to look back now) has suggested that it makes them less dominant or whatever

But, I am not sure understanding is something that matters that much. From this thread it is clear that some can't get how my head works. That's fine - I am happy with it and I don't particularly need anyone else's understanding apart from my domme

What, to me, is more important is acceptance of how I am and the infamous YKIOK. To be honest, as I said in an earlier post, I really haven't seen much switch bashing on IC (or anywhere) recently

This post might not be that great as I am in a rush - but, hopefully, I've got my point across without offending or upsetting anyone

:)

Edited 16 May 11, 1:38 PM by lisal

16 May 11, 12:28 PM
lilybee*
UK(TN), 5 yrs

Ooh a tricky one as the reactions and emotions of some of the replies here show.

I am a switch in a ltr as a sub. My ltr's are always me sub Them Dom/me, any time I have Dommed its always been for play not for a relationship, not sure why this is, just the way it has worked out. Predominately I am sub but once in a while get rather sadistic urges to hurt someone. This for me though can't be my Dom. I find it terribly hard to see Him hurt; making me feel useless at helping any pain He might be going through and to know that would have been because of something I did would make it worse. Strangely though I don't have problems hurting her. This is probably because they identify purely as sub or Dom and don't them-selves switch.

This doesn't mean that if He was a switch I'd have less respect for Him, just that I couldn't be the inflictor in His case. I like the all powerful strength without showing weakness part that as my Dom He tends to have (sciatica aside!). I tend to associate (rightly or wrongly) the Dom with the ability to punish as the stronger person, definitely physically. I do know that as sub it takes a huge amount of strength to receive some of those punishments though.

Re-reading this I don't think it clarifies anything! It is a strange one and tbh I do feel in some minds there is much the case of hierarchy where male subs are viewed below female subs, that they have less respect than female subs and this might be a reason behind why some cannot see a male Dom sub?

This thread does tend to bring this old sketch (not as good as the original but funny anyway) to mind too…

lily
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