12 May 11, 7:18 PM
Perplexion
13 mths |
tai_kwok_po wrote:
stripped_warrior wrote:
tai_kwok_po wrote:
Snip... and rightly or wrongly BDSM services are classes as sexual, even before the sliding scale moves up to strap on play (which can now be classed as Rape!). ...snip
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I have to ask... How is strap-on play in anyway classifiable as rape? Some of your argument has merit but you lost me there. Surely consent (or perseption thereof) is the key factor with any sexual interaction?
If it's potential damage to the body (assault with a weapon) your concerned about then any number of gay/lesbian/straight individuals could be charged with the same for vigerous sex, where the vaginal passage or anus is slightly bruised. Rape is non consensual, or something that someone can be accused of if perceived as nonconsentual, if it is willingly done between two adults, strap-on sex is totally legal.
Edited for quote and to round off argument.
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Sorry you misunderstood me, consensual play is obviously legal, however, the new Sexual Offences Act state that any penetration in to any orifice with sexual overtones is rape, which could be a finger in the mouth, case law will be the judge though! Rape is no longer penile penetration into the virginal passageway. It was just add weight to the sexual services argument.
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Rapists are not by definition sex workers and sex workers are not by definition rapists. Unless I missed a clause in the new Sexual Offences Act which you refer to as your basis for .... what exactly ARE you saying? |
12 May 11, 7:29 PM
stripped_warrior
UK(SE), 3 yrs
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As I understand it he was attempting to use the weight of the new laws, to drive the nail of his arguement home. However, he picked the wrong hammer. He is right, the new rape laws are not solely aimed at males, but it adds nothing to his arguement as it is not applicable because all participants are consenting. The following statement is false. The previous statement is true.
Reality is a perception, normality an opinion.
No stranger to being beaten around the head with a concept. Where 'the concept' refers to a large stick.
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12 May 11, 8:14 PM
Perplexion
13 mths |
stripped_warrior wrote:
it adds nothing to his arguement as it is not applicable
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It is also extremely offensive. |
12 May 11, 8:54 PM
stripped_warrior
UK(SE), 3 yrs
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Perplexion wrote:
stripped_warrior wrote:
it adds nothing to his arguement as it is not applicable
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It is also extremely offensive.
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Yes your absolutely right, I was trying to deconstruct his argument though, rather than respond to him on a base level. The following statement is false. The previous statement is true.
Reality is a perception, normality an opinion.
No stranger to being beaten around the head with a concept. Where 'the concept' refers to a large stick.
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12 May 11, 9:07 PM
Perplexion
13 mths |
I can be very good at that myself but the connection of consensual BDSM with rape is not helpful to anyone on this site. Venue licensing laws would be more applicable. |
13 May 11, 12:58 AM
Romola
UK, 7 yrs
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countess_de_jager wrote:
There are no pro Dommes working at this club.
They are house Dommes that get paid at the end of the night like all the staff there do.
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One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong.
If someone is paid for BDSM, in what way is s/he not a pro-Domme? Why would you want to say that your house Dommes are not pro-Dommes? I don't get it.
It's only a weblog 
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13 May 11, 3:45 PM
yoda_dog
UK(HP), 6 yrs
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tai_kwok_po wrote:
stripped_warrior wrote:
tai_kwok_po wrote:
Snip... and rightly or wrongly BDSM services are classes as sexual, even before the sliding scale moves up to strap on play (which can now be classed as Rape!). ...snip
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I have to ask... How is strap-on play in anyway classifiable as rape? Some of your argument has merit but you lost me there. Surely consent (or perseption thereof) is the key factor with any sexual interaction?
If it's potential damage to the body (assault with a weapon) your concerned about then any number of gay/lesbian/straight individuals could be charged with the same for vigerous sex, where the vaginal passage or anus is slightly bruised. Rape is non consensual, or something that someone can be accused of if perceived as nonconsentual, if it is willingly done between two adults, strap-on sex is totally legal.
Edited for quote and to round off argument.
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Sorry you misunderstood me, consensual play is obviously legal, however, the new Sexual Offences Act state that any penetration in to any orifice with sexual overtones is rape, which could be a finger in the mouth, case law will be the judge though! Rape is no longer penile penetration into the virginal passageway. It was just add weight to the sexual services argument.
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No, it's not.
Rape is penetration with a penis into the anus, vagina or mouth, without consent. It has to be a penis (Section 1, Sexual Offences Act 03). What you're talking about is assault by penetration (Section 2), which can be done with anything into the anus or vagina (not mouth), without consent.
See here for clarification.
Regardless, if it's all consensual, what's this got to do with anything? "Bottom line: it's couples who are truly right for each other wade through the same crap as everybody else, but the big difference is they don't let it take them down. One of those two people will stand up and fight for that relationship every time."
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13 May 11, 8:08 PM
Sorceror
UK(HU), 9 yrs
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stripped_warrior wrote:
As I understand it he was attempting to use the weight of the new laws, to drive the nail of his arguement home. However, he picked the wrong hammer. He is right, the new rape laws are not solely aimed at males, but it adds nothing to his arguement as it is not applicable because all participants are consenting.
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Actually ALL offences of rape are aimed at males because they require: -
1) penetration
2) without consent
3) orifice - anus, vagina, mouth
4) With a PENIS.
So need male for that...
Anything else probably is assault by penetration or sexual assault but for over 16s consent negates just about every sexual offence (not some in relation to people trafficking, prostitution, and sme photos).
S.x.
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17 May 11, 2:12 PM
countess_de_jager
4 yrs
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Romola wrote:
countess_de_jager wrote:
There are no pro Dommes working at this club.
They are house Dommes that get paid at the end of the night like all the staff there do.
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One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong.
If someone is paid for BDSM, in what way is s/he not a pro-Domme? Why would you want to say that your house Dommes are not pro-Dommes? I don't get it.
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Because they are not Pro in the fact they are not getting monies from any client. They are paid by the club. Monies from bar and door all go in with tag money.
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17 May 11, 2:36 PM
Lustful
ES, 2 yrs
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This new sexual offences act: does it include farting in church? All I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by.
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