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4 May 11, 3:45 PM
Ms_Valentine
UK, 9 yrs
The_Majickian wrote:
Ms_Valentine wrote:
D/s relationships, as a sub set of all human personal relationships, are no more magical, intense or likely to succeed.

Au contraire, I would say that D/s is far more intense, by reason of simple psychology.

In a vanilla suit, two people could, eventually, grow so close to each other that they become almost as one - this has been attested many times, over the years, because they grow in trust with each other, and know each other's ways so that they become almost psychically attached.

However, depending on activities, the process in D/s is that much quicker. If you tie someone down and thrash them so that they don't know whether you are going to do them an injury, and you do this time and time again, they are going to grow in trust with you - and not only that, if you apply lashings of aftercare and show that the roller-coaster of your relationship reaches the heights of ecstasy as well as the depths of pain, then you will become as close as a doting old couple even in the flush of youth. It is also well known that people who go through a torrid and intense situation together grow closer anyway. So it stands to reason that D/s, or at least BDSM, can be like relationship superglue.

I think if you make assumptions that bdsm relationships are more intense than vanilla ones you may be doing a whole lot of vanillas a disservice.

We judge what we do to be more intense because we see it positively and is after all, the life we like. We cannot know what others, especially vanilla couples are really like, what they fantasisie about, what moves them and what flames desire in their relationships.

I think the intensity experienced early on in D/s relationships may be just as likely to shatter violently apart than act as relationship glue. I think the likelihood of success is just down to the two ( or more in the case of poly)people involved. Some will make it work, others will not.

Mistress of @paulss

4 May 11, 3:49 PM
Ms_Valentine
UK, 9 yrs
redgerbil wrote:
Ms_Valentine wrote:
I I think we place too much emphasis on the length of the relationship as opposed to its happiness quotient. Not all things which are over can be viewed as bad, just that they had their space and time.

There is no real measure of other people's relationships just there is no real judge of their lives.

We know what works for us but it may not work for them and vice versa. I often see people with a lot more money than me and if they looked at my life they would be horrified and say 'How awful' or something but when I look at their lives I wouldn't want to be in their shoes either and I certainly wouldn't spend money on a lot of things that they do.

It's true of relationships too. Sometimes short and stormy ones can create the most excitement. On the other hand knowing a person intimately for a long period can (not always) create very trusting conditions in which to experiment with all kinds of fantasies etc.

I don't really know about 'happiness quotient'. The term happiness is bandied about so much these days but it means so many different things from sexual excitement to philosophical contentment which are hardly to be measured by the same yardstick.

I meant 'happiness quotient' purely as a term by which each individual can judge their own relationships. It has no meaning outside what each one of us recognises it to be. It is absolutely subjective, no matter what silly ideas David Cameron may believe.

Mistress of @paulss

4 May 11, 5:00 PM
Elysium
UK(EH), 5 yrs

I think D/s is of course intense. However, whether this causes relationship superglue, or relationship dynamite. Is down to the compatibility of the individuals.

I think the very nature of a real power imbalance is likely to shed light on incompatibility much quicker than in a vanilla relationship. Simply because it creates a situation in which things people in nilla relationships are more likely to take for granted, are openly discussed, negotiated and apparent in day to day life.

D/s by its structure is more likely to bring to light possible conflict that may not become apparent in a nilla relationship for years. Simply because neither party in a nilla relationship has been in the situation to have had to confront the issues.

There is also usually far more compromise from both sides of the relationship(in nilla). Whereas the onus for compromise is usually on the submissive, in D/s relationships. Not saying dominants don't compromise. However, the power imbalance certainly makes them less likely to do so.

Then, there is the influence of unrealistic expectations that permeates D/s culture. Particularly in F/m relationships. However M/f relationships aren't immune from this.

There are of course unrealistic expectations in purely vanilla relationships. However, they have the added clout of somehow being sanctioned by mainstream society.

I could go on and on.

Let's televise and broadcast the raping of kings.

5 May 11, 8:00 PM
Adwhored
UK(BN), 10 yrs

I really appreciate all the varied answers, thank you.

"Woman in her greatest perfection was made to serve and obey man." John Knox

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