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BDSM and Religion (94)

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26 Apr 11, 6:28 PM
Attitude_Adjuster
UK(N), 6 yrs

HarmCandy wrote:
Hahaha!

Where do physical laws come from?.. They are inferred from experiential data.

I'm not going to reply on the assumption you're taking the piss.

And all men kill the thing they love, By all let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!

26 Apr 11, 6:31 PM
Sundai_Manners
UK, 2 yrs

Attitude_Adjuster wrote:
HarmCandy wrote:
Hahaha!

Where do physical laws come from?.. They are inferred from experiential data.

I'm not going to reply on the assumption you're taking the piss.

Sadly, I don't think he is...

26 Apr 11, 8:03 PM
El_Presidente
UK(G), 4 yrs


HarmCandy wrote:
And I'm the stupid one?.. xD

So the experimental data would appear to infer.

"...Try as I like, a small crack appears in my diplomacy dyke."

26 Apr 11, 8:17 PM
TrannyLover
UK, 14 mths
Well the christian god always struck me as sadomasochistic. He required his son to die a horribly painful death supposedly for the sins of mankind and yet as Richard Dawkins said any god worth his salt could have just forgiven people.

Therefore it would seem to me that BDSM is fully endorsed in christian theology. And if its good enough for god's supposed son it's good enough for me - easy on those nails guys! LOL!

Liz

Edited 26 Apr 11, 8:35 PM by TrannyLover

26 Apr 11, 10:09 PM
HarmCandy
UK, 4 yrs

This is pretty cool. So there I am, surrounded by materialistic-atomists...

Incidentally, the aforementioned circularity is a glaring problem for materialism. So does anyone care to set things straight and point out where exactly the subtle contradiction in my reasoning lies?.. No? Aw.

HC

'Above, it isn't bright. Below, it isn't dark.'

26 Apr 11, 10:10 PM
HarmCandy
UK, 4 yrs

People make inferences; experimental data is the raw material on which theories are built.

Nice try though =)

Mwah! x

HC

El_Presidente wrote:
HarmCandy wrote:
And I'm the stupid one?.. xD

So the experimental data would appear to infer.

'Above, it isn't bright. Below, it isn't dark.'

26 Apr 11, 10:13 PM
HarmCandy
UK, 4 yrs

Lol :-)

Tell me what scientific methods are built on... Whatever it is, it's not empirical data. This is a problem for the strict empiricist, because he must admit the existence of knowledge which does not come from the sensible world.

La, la, la

HC

Sundai_Manners wrote:
Attitude_Adjuster wrote:
HarmCandy wrote:
Hahaha!

Where do physical laws come from?.. They are inferred from experiential data.

I'm not going to reply on the assumption you're taking the piss.

Sadly, I don't think he is...

'Above, it isn't bright. Below, it isn't dark.'

26 Apr 11, 10:39 PM
rodm99
UK(CB), 7 yrs
Not really my field, but this is, I think, a fairly standard summary of the process. To understand it, you need to give full weight to every word of it:

'Introduction to the Scientific Method

The scientific method is the process by which scientists, collectively and over time, endeavor to construct an accurate (that is, reliable, consistent and non-arbitrary) representation of the world.

Recognizing that personal and cultural beliefs influence both our perceptions and our interpretations of natural phenomena, we aim through the use of standard procedures and criteria to minimize those influences when developing a theory... The scientific method attempts to minimize the influence of bias or prejudice in the experimenter when testing an hypothesis or a theory.

The scientific method has four steps:

1. Observation and description of a phenomenon or group of phenomena.

2. Formulation of an hypothesis to explain the phenomena. In physics, the hypothesis often takes the form of a causal mechanism or a mathematical relation.

3. Use of the hypothesis to predict the existence of other phenomena, or to predict quantitatively the results of new observations.

4. Performance of experimental tests of the predictions by several independent experimenters and properly performed experiments.'

HarmCandy wrote:
Lol :-)

Tell me what scientific methods are built on... Whatever it is, it's not empirical data. This is a problem for the strict empiricist, because he must admit the existence of knowledge which does not come from the sensible world.

La, la, la

HC

Sundai_Manners wrote:
Attitude_Adjuster wrote:
HarmCandy wrote:
Hahaha!

Where do physical laws come from?.. They are inferred from experiential data.

I'm not going to reply on the assumption you're taking the piss.

Sadly, I don't think he is...

'Twosies beats onesies, but nothing beats three...'

26 Apr 11, 11:40 PM
The_Majickian
UK(SW), 9 yrs

Quite what the Church thinks of sex before, after, during or in between is not in my sphere of influence, given that I prefer to take people on what they do rather than what they say.

Given that a small but noticeable contingent of Catholic priests tend to prefer young boys, and given that there is a wider cabal willing to overlook said heinous crimes, I am bound to thank several British Goddesses (not all of whom are on here, I must admit) that I am where I am.

Incidentally, nice fight... don't let me hold you up.

Holmes: Meretricious
Lestrade: And a happy new year

27 Apr 11, 12:06 AM
BasicJ
7 yrs
Depends what you mean by Christian,

The "Bible" fuses the non-judgemental teachings of Christ with the absolutely and aggressively judgemental mindset of the old testaments.. the very scriptures that christ fought and thus undermined the Pharisees with the predicable result of his murder.

It is not the first religion to pander for acceptance by being tuned to allow more easy transition for those still in truth of a former religions mindset - but it is perhaqps the one that in so doing conflicts so strongly with the mindset of the very man it claims to represent.

By joining two diametrically opposed mindsets such that one has a quote for any way one wishes to think - "eye for an eye" - "turn the other cheek" etc... it was a guarranteed winner for anyone who does not for one second take pause to actually think. Of course the indocrination handles that.. "is it is not about thinking - it is about faith". Not one must not ein the teachings of christ but faith not to question what the last generation told us and likewise did not question having been told the same 'faith' cover up.

If the teaching of christ are taken exclusively... i.e discard the old religion - then one must do three things:

Firts throw away the virgin birth - it is simply a mis-translation of young woman. Of course if 'faith' in what 'father murphy' told you demands that you believe a young married woman was still a virgin even though the original wording never said that ... it is an individual choice - bit one to choose a fallible human scholar's insane interpretation - in place of a very valid original of a young woman giving birth - end of.

Next one must accept that Mary Magdalen in not an argument for Christ inherently embracing people of socially dodgy pursuit... th idea she was a hooker is a contrivance not witin the original scriptures.

Lastly one must look at the botton line... He said only those who had never 'sinned' can cast stones - and thereby does contradict himself by therefore suggesting sin is possible and such a person may in fact judge! Nevertheless it would seem probably that he knew such a statement should cause all to realise - nobody, nobody in the real world, will then be able to claim such right.

As such in conclusion:

A follower of christ's teaching - in other words someone quite alien to the the embracee of the organised religions that carry his name in fraud - will have no problem with BDSM so long as it is a mutual embrace withjout disrespect from any party, or I guess over bruising of his dad's corporal gift - since that would seem a bad way to treat a gift.

A follower of the organised religions who bear his name and particulally the more fundamentalist ( read insane) USA churches will damn and blast you all to hell and call you an obsenity!

Me? I am an atheist and can prove in 7 statements why there is no God... sorry - but there really isn't. I truly wish there was.

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