5 May 11, 10:45 AM pilsburyDB 19 mths |
mistertulip wrote:
I find it hilarious the way bodybuilders promote things like amino acid supplements. Ooh I didn't know that I needed to insist on "L-form, branch chain aminos with all the essential ones for humans"....
I feel like asking: "so where did you learn your organic chemistry/physiology...?"
It just defies belief that all these people know what they're talking about. It looks far too likely to be a celebrity endorsement scam using the "blind them with (pseudo-?)science" tactic.
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A lot of what's said about aminos is true, they are the bits from protein that help build muscle... It only takes a search of pubmed to see if claims can be substantiated  it's the same with steroids tbh, once you get beyond the scare mongering and into the science there's a lot of well researched info around....
Just saying..... Don't piss me off or I'm going dogging!
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7 May 11, 4:16 PM carlbigvern UK(CV), 15 mths |
You want muscle....stick at it.....simple as |
12 May 11, 9:06 PM carlbigvern UK(CV), 15 mths |
I use the run of the mill Tesco's vitamins, good whey proetein via a mate.......then there are the supplements that make a differnce |
24 May 11, 2:21 PM mistertulip UK(W), 9 yrs 
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Justbob wrote:
mistertulip wrote:
I find it hilarious the way bodybuilders promote things like amino acid supplements. Ooh I didn't know that I needed to insist on "L-form, branch chain aminos with all the essential ones for humans"....
I feel like asking: "so where did you learn your organic chemistry/physiology...?"
It just defies belief that all these people know what they're talking about. It looks far too likely to be a celebrity endorsement scam using the "blind them with (pseudo-?)science" tactic.
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A lot of what's said about aminos is true, they are the bits from protein that help build muscle... It only takes a search of pubmed to see if claims can be substantiated  it's the same with steroids tbh, once you get beyond the scare mongering and into the science there's a lot of well researched info around....
Just saying.....
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My point is that you can't just read what you'd find on pubmed without a serious education in chemistry and physiology. I can skim the publications for words I think I understand - but that kind of literature is there to support trained people and world experts...
I have a serious education (not in Chemistry, Physiology nor life sciences)... and it's painfully clear to me I don't have the background to read journals in these things - so I'm sceptical of what street bodybuilders and trainers can know. I also have serious doubts that most of them understand the technical terminology that's thrown around.
Winning bodybuilding contests is a perfectly good thing but reading things you need an exam in organic chemistry to understand is something completely different... Edited 24 May 11, 2:30 PM by mistertulip
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8 Jun 11, 3:55 PM Beau_Tox UK(CB), 7 yrs 

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PrinceCaspian wrote:
MissFelicity wrote:
Bigbob33 wrote:
Show off!!! I have to work my legs really hard to get them to even think about growing
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I have the opposite problem too. I just THINK about going for a jog and my calves burst out of my leggings Hunk style. Fortunately I like muscle. :D
I trade this off as an excuse not to do cardio. Love it. :D
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Snap
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Cardio should in theory promote a catabolic reaction - if you do enough of it to get past a tipping point. I guess for some people, a little acts to promote an anabolic reaction rather than just promoting muscular endurance.
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"Journalism" is an anagram of "o, lunar jism".
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8 Jun 11, 5:32 PM gentlemusings UK(M), 19 mths 

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hmmmm not wanting to bring the tone of the conversation down...
But, does press ups on your toes have the same effect?
<<<thinks about muscled thighs & calves & drools uncontrollably! :::::. Most welcome bondage, for thou art a way, i think, to liberty .::::: William Shakespeare
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10 Jun 11, 5:48 AM Beau_Tox UK(CB), 7 yrs 

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mistertulip wrote:
I find it hilarious the way bodybuilders promote things like amino acid supplements. Ooh I didn't know that I needed to insist on "L-form, branch chain aminos with all the essential ones for humans"....
I feel like asking: "so where did you learn your organic chemistry/physiology...?"
It just defies belief that all these people know what they're talking about. It looks far too likely to be a celebrity endorsement scam using the "blind them with (pseudo-?)science" tactic.
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Even those whey protein supplements are shady stuff but everybody takes them. They're made by heating the bits of cheese** production that they used to throw away, at about 60 degrees - which potentially de-natures the protein anyway (unless you pay a fortune for the cool dried stuff). Somebody at some point thought "It's just rubbish at the moment that we feed to pigs. But we could market this to people..." Why not just drink a pint of milk instead? Gold top non-homogenised, nom nom nom.
Besides, if you can only stack on a few ounces of muscles a week maximum, why all the need for artificial protein anyway? Eating steak, chicken and a good dose of leaves and veg should have all the amino acids you're after. It's just magazines printing dubious science from companies who have a product to sell. No magazine ever did a bad review for a product from a company who pays them lots in advertising.
** Mmmmm, cheeeeese.  .
"Journalism" is an anagram of "o, lunar jism".
Edited 10 Jun 11, 8:14 AM by Beau_Tox
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12 Jun 11, 1:12 AM Beau_Tox UK(CB), 7 yrs 

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LilyIndigo wrote:
Beau_Tox wrote:
mistertulip wrote:
I find it hilarious the way bodybuilders promote things like amino acid supplements. Ooh I didn't know that I needed to insist on "L-form, branch chain aminos with all the essential ones for humans"....
I feel like asking: "so where did you learn your organic chemistry/physiology...?"
It just defies belief that all these people know what they're talking about. It looks far too likely to be a celebrity endorsement scam using the "blind them with (pseudo-?)science" tactic.
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Even those whey protein supplements are shady stuff but everybody takes them. They're made by heating the bits of cheese** production that they used to throw away, at about 60 degrees - which potentially de-natures the protein anyway (unless you pay a fortune for the cool dried stuff). Somebody at some point thought "It's just rubbish at the moment that we feed to pigs. But we could market this to people..." Why not just drink a pint of milk instead? Gold top non-homogenised, nom nom nom.
Besides, if you can only stack on a few ounces of muscles a week maximum, why all the need for artificial protein anyway? Eating steak, chicken and a good dose of leaves and veg should have all the amino acids you're after. It's just magazines printing dubious science from companies who have a product to sell. No magazine ever did a bad review for a product from a company who pays them lots in advertising.
** Mmmmm, cheeeeese.
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* This post was written by someone who has no idea how many calories are in a pint of milk. "
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How are calories calculated then? .
"Journalism" is an anagram of "o, lunar jism".
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12 Jun 11, 10:27 AM TheHarlotofHoxton UK(LE), 13 mths 
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Beau_Tox wrote:
LilyIndigo wrote:
Beau_Tox wrote:
mistertulip wrote:
I find it hilarious the way bodybuilders promote things like amino acid supplements. Ooh I didn't know that I needed to insist on "L-form, branch chain aminos with all the essential ones for humans"....
I feel like asking: "so where did you learn your organic chemistry/physiology...?"
It just defies belief that all these people know what they're talking about. It looks far too likely to be a celebrity endorsement scam using the "blind them with (pseudo-?)science" tactic.
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Even those whey protein supplements are shady stuff but everybody takes them. They're made by heating the bits of cheese** production that they used to throw away, at about 60 degrees - which potentially de-natures the protein anyway (unless you pay a fortune for the cool dried stuff). Somebody at some point thought "It's just rubbish at the moment that we feed to pigs. But we could market this to people..." Why not just drink a pint of milk instead? Gold top non-homogenised, nom nom nom.
Besides, if you can only stack on a few ounces of muscles a week maximum, why all the need for artificial protein anyway? Eating steak, chicken and a good dose of leaves and veg should have all the amino acids you're after. It's just magazines printing dubious science from companies who have a product to sell. No magazine ever did a bad review for a product from a company who pays them lots in advertising.
** Mmmmm, cheeeeese.
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* This post was written by someone who has no idea how many calories are in a pint of milk. "
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How are calories calculated then?
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370.
calories in a vitamin tablet : 0
and now you know why girlies don't rather drink a pint of milk. Princess Katherine the Duchess of Dalston.
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13 Jun 11, 7:03 PM Miss_Zelda_Amazon UK(WR), 6 yrs 
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Beau_Tox wrote:
mistertulip wrote:
I find it hilarious the way bodybuilders promote things like amino acid supplements. Ooh I didn't know that I needed to insist on "L-form, branch chain aminos with all the essential ones for humans"....
I feel like asking: "so where did you learn your organic chemistry/physiology...?"
It just defies belief that all these people know what they're talking about. It looks far too likely to be a celebrity endorsement scam using the "blind them with (pseudo-?)science" tactic.
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Even those whey protein supplements are shady stuff but everybody takes them. They're made by heating the bits of cheese** production that they used to throw away, at about 60 degrees - which potentially de-natures the protein anyway (unless you pay a fortune for the cool dried stuff). Somebody at some point thought "It's just rubbish at the moment that we feed to pigs. But we could market this to people..." Why not just drink a pint of milk instead? Gold top non-homogenised, nom nom nom.
Besides, if you can only stack on a few ounces of muscles a week maximum, why all the need for artificial protein anyway? Eating steak, chicken and a good dose of leaves and veg should have all the amino acids you're after. It's just magazines printing dubious science from companies who have a product to sell. No magazine ever did a bad review for a product from a company who pays them lots in advertising.
** Mmmmm, cheeeeese.
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The expensive stuff as you call it is good and is cold pressed! I use pea protein and take after training and during the night, I don't like casein slow release so would rather set my alarm to get up in the night to take it. I only use protein powder when I am training for a competition, about 16 weeks out, I also take my cal intake up to about 6,000 per day at 6,000 I can still eat clean and by this I mean no sugar natural or not so I don't eat any high GI foods, at about 8 weeks out I step up my protein intake and cal to about 10,000 per day at this point its hard to eat clean but I try, I also take 3-5,000 mg of vit c for collagen production .
During off season or between competitions I mix my training doing muscular endurance and power in the same session typically 10 sets first 4 sets at 20 reps next 3 sets at 10 reps and last 3 sets at 3 reps the last 3 sets will also all be on the same weight, on a squat day it would start at 100kg with the last 3 sets being about 240-260kg, depending on where the session falls in the week. I also only train each discipline once a week , unlike the build up to a competition when I train each twice a week .
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