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Fetish abuse of homeless? (96)

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Tue 12 Apr 11, 5:40 PM
Lady_Anna_Bradford
UK(BD), 5 yrs

This article particularly caught my eye because quite a few UK PDs have recently received a particularly unpleasant email from an individual who wants them to film themselves beating up a non-consenting homeless man. After reading this article it seems that this distasteful individual isn't on his own.

I've also posted this here because the website where these films were used has been mentioned several times on IC.

http://www.theledger.com/article/20110412/NEWS/1...

It's a very interesting case regarding the issue of consent, withdrawing consent and consent given under duress. This blog explains the issues of consent as well as the ramifications for the rest of the adult industry (stroke BDSM in general?)

http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/dailyloaf/2011/...

Having now read the second link I'm not as sure as I was about the first. It'll be an interesting case to follow.

"If no sexual offence is being committed it seems very odd indeed that there should be an offence for having an image of something which was not an offence," Lord Wallace of Tankerness

12 Apr 11, 5:45 PM
hollythedolly
UK(NN), 2 yrs


Sorry but where have they been mentioned on IC
12 Apr 11, 6:03 PM
Beau_Tox
UK(CB), 7 yrs


hollythedolly wrote:
Sorry but where have they been mentioned on IC

I put "shefights" in the search box at the bottom of the page and got links here:

http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/282039/

and here:

http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/283442/5#...

There might be more, but I'll let you search for them.

.
Oh you poor little lamby-kin, does the nasty post above upset you..?

12 Apr 11, 6:30 PM
TwistedMe
2 yrs
It would appear that they accepted the offers after weighing up their need for cash versus the potential outcome. I mean, they're not being dragged off against their will, and many returned for more. It seems like informed consent to me! All in all though it's unsurprising really, some people will do the most unbelievable things for money...

http://poetry.rotten.com/sympathy/

Keep the greasy side down and the shiny side up.

12 Apr 11, 6:56 PM
Ama_Sidero
UK(GU), 7 yrs


Sooo.....and I know that it is NOT the same, and Im not implying it is...

but by the same logic, if a woman is of low iQ and a junkie and sells her body to pay for it, she could claim rape? Or would that not work only because there are no lasting marks?

@Play_Space - Next party is Sunday April 24 - 5 to Midnight http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/301135
Road Trip to the Sea!!! First two weeks of May http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/291684/0/...

12 Apr 11, 7:14 PM
PapaNoir
UK(BA), 2 yrs
This is just Bumfights with an added sexual fetishist component. Kimbo Slice went from street fighting sensation all the way to MMA stardom (although he got Debo'd in one of his first fights in the Octagon IIRC).
12 Apr 11, 7:20 PM
Ama_Sidero
UK(GU), 7 yrs


PapaNoir wrote:
This is just Bumfights with an added sexual fetishist component. Kimbo Slice went from street fighting sensation all the way to MMA stardom (although he got Debo'd in one of his first fights in the Octagon IIRC).

eh? LOL ;-)

Ok, I did go and look at the links, so alles klar :-) Thats not true, the end bit isn't, but doesn't matter.

maybe its because they are being beaten up by GIRLS?

ETA:

And who are the boys from Jackass going to sue? Their parents for making them so daft?

It will be interesting to watch. I hope the updates on it are posted. Thanks Lady Anna Bradford

@Play_Space - Next party is Sunday April 24 - 5 to Midnight http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/301135
Road Trip to the Sea!!! First two weeks of May http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/291684/0/...

Edited 12 Apr 11, 7:30 PM by Ama_Sidero

12 Apr 11, 7:23 PM
Ponyboy_uk
UK(NN), 17 mths
One thing I could never stand is to see a filthy, dirty old drunkie, howling away at the filthy songs of his fathers and going 'blerp, blerp', in between as it might be a filthy old orchestra in his stinking rotten guts.

edit - 'ultraviolence' !?!

Edited 13 Apr 11, 12:28 AM by Ponyboy_uk

12 Apr 11, 7:39 PM
Sirebel
UK, 5 yrs


TwistedMe wrote:
It would appear that they accepted the offers after weighing up their need for cash versus the potential outcome. I mean, they're not being dragged off against their will, and many returned for more. It seems like informed consent to me! All in all though it's unsurprising really, some people will do the most unbelievable things for money...

http://poetry.rotten.com/sympathy/

There is a huge difference between doing something for money because you want the money and doing it because you need the money.

If they offered this money to random people then I wouldn't have a problem with it but they are deliberately picking on needy people who have few opportunities to earn that sort of money.

I'm not saying I think it's completely wrong, the difference is that if they wanted people who could turn the money down easily they would have to pay a lot more than £50 to find someone willing to do it. Exploitation? It don't doubt that's at least what is going on here.

No man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. Abraham Lincoln

12 Apr 11, 7:42 PM
PapaNoir
UK(BA), 2 yrs
If my post had been in response to yours, I would have quoted you. Since I did not, it's pretty safe to assume I was responding to the OP. When you hear hooves, you just go ahead and think horsies...
Ama_Sidero wrote:
PapaNoir wrote:
This is just Bumfights with an added sexual fetishist component. Kimbo Slice went from street fighting sensation all the way to MMA stardom (although he got Debo'd in one of his first fights in the Octagon IIRC).

eh? LOL ;-)

Ok, I did go and look at the links, so alles klar :-) Thats not true, the end bit isn't, but doesn't matter.

maybe its because they are being beaten up by GIRLS?

ETA:

And who are the boys from Jackass going to sue? Their parents for making them so daft?

It will be interesting to watch. I hope the updates on it are posted. Thanks Lady Anna Bradford

12 Apr 11, 8:24 PM
tanken
UK(NR), 2 yrs

Sirebel wrote:
TwistedMe wrote:
It would appear that they accepted the offers after weighing up their need for cash versus the potential outcome. I mean, they're not being dragged off against their will, and many returned for more. It seems like informed consent to me! All in all though it's unsurprising really, some people will do the most unbelievable things for money...

http://poetry.rotten.com/sympathy/

There is a huge difference between doing something for money because you want the money and doing it because you need the money.

If they offered this money to random people then I wouldn't have a problem with it but they are deliberately picking on needy people who have few opportunities to earn that sort of money.

I'm not saying I think it's completely wrong, the difference is that if they wanted people who could turn the money down easily they would have to pay a lot more than £50 to find someone willing to do it. Exploitation? It don't doubt that's at least what is going on here.

Yes, to me it's like people who sell their organs for money only not as extreme :(

Happiness is a warm bum :)

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