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on Fri 21 Jan 05, 3:59 PM to Grimly's blog.
I have read the comments to my last blog with a lot of interest and also Thought's visible community blog. I don't want to drag this out nor do I want to preach to the perverted, but I am going to add a couple more comments. Please don't get me wrong about what I'm trying to say, I have had bitter personal experiences at the hands of the media and my comments are based on first hand observation.
The comparison of what has happened in the gay scene and the idea that there is “acceptance” of it in society is not one I'm sure is totally valid. Tolerance maybe, but the old prejudice suspicion and abuse is still there. Gay marriage, gay adoption, gay priests, gay teachers, are still issues that provoke heated debate and hostility. Homosexuality may no longer be a criminal offence, but many homosexual acts are. Homophobia is alive and well and has defiantly not gone away. Gays are still beaten up, discriminated against, and treated with suspicion in spite of changes to the law. Attitudes have not changed that much in spite of 40 years of campaigning
So where does that leave us? In truth any sexual practice that deviates from the norm will be looked on at least with suspicion if not outright hostility. As Thought said in his blog “ten thousand perverts tying, clamping, whipping - being who they really are with all the dungeon equipment we could possibly get together in one place.” May well be hard to ignore, but to the majority of the population we will still be just that,perverts, sadly human nature is not that easy to change.
Cheers Grimly
Edited Fri 21 Jan 05, 4:57 PM by Grimly
| 21 Jan 05, 4:33 PM Backdooruk UK(BA), 12 yrs |
Change happens slowly, especially when we talk about opinions. But it does happen. The trick is not to be too impatient.  . Attitudes to homosexuality have changed significantly, not for everyone, but a public meme that it's OK to be gay has surfaced and is continuing to spread. This is real process.I wouldn't like to draw any of these parallels too closely - there are always some differences, but in the end if Rosa Parks had not stood up for her right to sit at the front of the bus, there would never have been any chance of change. Yet Racism is alive and well and has defiantly not gone away. I don't see that there is much of a choice really. One quibble though:
Since the age of consent for homosexuals was made the same as for straight people (16) I know of no homosexual acts that are against the law. Can you elaborate? | ||
| 21 Jan 05, 4:45 PM goodghirl UK, 8 yrs |
I personally can't think of anything worse would that be seen as trying to make the world perv's. How many times have you spoke to a straight person who think's anyone gay will hit on them ? gg Somewhere there's someone who dreams of your smile, and finds in your presence that life is worth while. So when you are lonely, remember it's true Somebody somewhere is thinking of you. | ||
| 21 Jan 05, 4:56 PM deelish UK(RM), 10 yrs |
Since the age of consent for homosexuals was made the same as for straight people (16) I know of no homosexual acts that are against the law. Can you elaborate? [/quote] I believe that there are still laws against more than two men participating in a sexual act in a room together. This article is from 2000: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/859506.stm subbykins{Chrd} | ||
| 21 Jan 05, 5:06 PM goodghirl UK, 8 yrs |
Since the age of consent for homosexuals was made the same as for straight people (16) I know of no homosexual acts that are against the law. Can you elaborate? [/quote] Gay marridge is still not legal gg
Somewhere there's someone who dreams of your smile, and finds in your presence that life is worth while. So when you are lonely, remember it's true Somebody somewhere is thinking of you. | ||
| 21 Jan 05, 5:12 PM Backdooruk UK(BA), 12 yrs |
Edited 21 Jan 05, 5:16 PM by Backdooruk | ||
| 21 Jan 05, 5:15 PM Backdooruk UK(BA), 12 yrs |
 Seriously though, give it a year or three and we will probably follow the lead of several European countries. That just shows the power of campaigning.
Edited 21 Jan 05, 5:16 PM by Backdooruk | ||
| 21 Jan 05, 5:15 PM Grimly UK(IV), 10 yrs |
your missing the point here, the blog is about attitudes not homosexuality | ||
| 21 Jan 05, 5:32 PM Caitiff UK(NP), 8 yrs |
Theres good and bad points about all this, an argument I am sure will go on for a long time to come, way past my lifetime. Do I want people fighting for my right to practice what I think is my mine anyway....not really. People in this lifestyle regardless of any awareness made to the general public, will always be regarded as freaks or perverts as we call ourselves and it doesnt matter what we do to persuade them. I see points of view where people have been outed at work or home, sadly this is sometimes the price we have to pay for being honest and being who we are, its not nice and there is always that risk with this type of life, it would be nice I guess for people if they tolerated who and what we are and maybe education is the key but I think that opens a new can of worms and maybe causes more problems, I am not sure what is best really, I guess I am lucky, most who know me know who and what I am now, so its easy for me but I know lots of people have very good jobs and wouldnt want to be outed at all, they have lots to lose. Realistically speaking we are all in a catch 22 situation. The new militant wing of this lifestyle, may think what they do is right and I am sure it helps in some way but to say they are acting for us all is wrong, we all have those choices whether to be up front and honest or not, mine is even though people I care for know everything, its far better from the thrill factor to be classed as different, yes there is an appeal to sneaking round in the night doing whatever it is we do, how many of you subs have walked out of hotels dressed in all sorts of clothing and seen people look at you and wonder, dont you get a buzz off that? Running to your taxis and cars giggling away. For me leave it has it is, its far more fun and keeps the locals guessing. Theres loads that will disagree and thats fine, we all have opinions and have the freedom to express them. M.C Edited 21 Jan 05, 5:43 PM by Caitiff | ||
| 21 Jan 05, 5:33 PM Backdooruk UK(BA), 12 yrs |
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| 21 Jan 05, 5:36 PM Grimly UK(IV), 10 yrs |
MasterCaitiff I agree totaly
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