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Cattles prods seemingly not considered firearms? (32)

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19 Mar 11, 12:10 AM
DeCoverley
UK(GL), 4 yrs
Lady_Anna_Bradford wrote:
Cattle prods are classed as offence weapons and as such are illegal to possess - unless you have a job that uses one for legitimate and intended for use purposes ie beef farm

Would a beef curtain farm count?

19 Mar 11, 12:13 AM
Lady_Anna_Bradford
UK(BD), 5 yrs

CateStoker wrote:
Doesn't the fact that it may be an offensive weapon only become relevant if you carry it?

Not necessarily. If you carry a screwdriver in your handbag it could be interpreted as an offensive weapon but having a cattleprod in your glass cabinet still means you risk facing prosecution for having a dodgy item. I suppose a good defence lawyer would argue that case should you ever get to that stage. If you are going to have a prod my suggestion is don't keep it with the rest of your BDSM kit.

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19 Mar 11, 12:40 AM
birdburdy
UK(NW), 4 yrs
Lady_Anna_Bradford wrote:
CateStoker wrote:
Doesn't the fact that it may be an offensive weapon only become relevant if you carry it?

Not necessarily. If you carry a screwdriver in your handbag it could be interpreted as an offensive weapon but having a cattleprod in your glass cabinet still means you risk facing prosecution for having a dodgy item. I suppose a good defence lawyer would argue that case should you ever get to that stage. If you are going to have a prod my suggestion is don't keep it with the rest of your BDSM kit.

I could be wrong, but I think it's fine to own an offensive weapon so long as you don't go carrying it around in public. See here:

http://www.inbrief.co.uk/offences/offensive-weap...

19 Mar 11, 12:41 AM
Beau_Tox
UK(CB), 7 yrs


Lady_Anna_Bradford wrote:
CateStoker wrote:
Doesn't the fact that it may be an offensive weapon only become relevant if you carry it?

Not necessarily. If you carry a screwdriver in your handbag it could be interpreted as an offensive weapon but having a cattleprod in your glass cabinet still means you risk facing prosecution for having a dodgy item. I suppose a good defence lawyer would argue that case should you ever get to that stage. If you are going to have a prod my suggestion is don't keep it with the rest of your BDSM kit.

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19 Mar 11, 1:30 AM
marcusl
UK, 6 yrs

The possession of a cattle prod is such grey area that it's something that even the Governmental law bodies seem to differ on.

Taken from the CPS guidance:

'In addition the following are also prohibited but are not subject to mandatory minimum sentences:

Section 5 (1) (b) any weapon of whatever description designed or adapted for the discharge of any noxious liquid gas or other thing. Generally stun guns or electric shock devices, CS gas not usually cattle prods but depends on type;'

Taken from the Home Office firearms guidance:

'Cattle prods are not considered to be within this category because they are not designed or adapted as weapons.'

However, taking one on the street, or any other public place; would almost certainly result in a charge of possession of an offensive weapon, as there is no reasonable excuse or permission from lawful authority to have an article which can be used as a weapon about the person.

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19 Mar 11, 3:28 AM
EmmaJNation
UK(S), 18 mths

DeCoverley wrote:
Lady_Anna_Bradford wrote:
Cattle prods are classed as offence weapons and as such are illegal to possess - unless you have a job that uses one for legitimate and intended for use purposes ie beef farm

Would a beef curtain farm count?

There are *farms* for them?!

19 Mar 11, 3:29 AM
Empress_Martine
UK(HA), 2 yrs
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They are an offencive weapon and unless you have a legal reason for having one,e.g. a beef cattle farm then you will get your collar felt,excuse the parlience.Modification of a electric fly swat could be termed as an offencive weapon,if use it as one.Cattle prods are not guns unless you are mixing them up with a cattle stun bolt gun,which is outside its normal use,an offencive weapon.

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19 Mar 11, 1:36 PM
Stanisk
UK(TA), 5 yrs
The energy output from a cattle prod is intended for an animal weighing over half a ton.

Apparently obeseity is rife in the western world but that is at least somewhere between three to five times the average persons bodyweight.

Try looking up 'coaxer' instead of cattle prod. Intend for use on smaller livestock.

Same as having a knife blade over 3inches or a screwdriver in your pocket down the pub .. carrying one without good reason in unsuitable circumstances is ill advised.

Owning one is just perfectly fine. Using it is probably just as illegal as assaulting someone with a cane or paddle and leaving non-triffling marks.

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19 Mar 11, 3:14 PM
DeCoverley
UK(GL), 4 yrs
Well, it SEEMS like a good idea. There SHOULD be.

EmmaJNation wrote:
DeCoverley wrote:
Would a beef curtain farm count?

There are *farms* for them?!

19 Mar 11, 8:54 PM
Ama_Sidero
UK(GU), 7 yrs


Of course it isn't a firearm. How on EARTH could a cattle prod be considered a firearm. That is like saying a mousetrap is a weapon.

ETA: Having said that, my lil eyes are just lighting up now at the possibilities that mousetraps are "springing" into my head. LOL

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Edited 19 Mar 11, 8:57 PM by Ama_Sidero

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