More Controversy? (16)

I don't think it is inevitable and I dont think you can quote individual case's when no one know's what else has gone on. You don't say why the teacher has been suspended is it possible that this is the reason the childs father feels the mother is putting the child at risk? we can only guess - hence why I don't think its really anything to do with this topic.

with respect gg

"If you can imagine it, You can achieve it. If you can dream it, You can become it."

what is 'seen'? i'd settle for 'seen not to be a threat to their children'? or 'seen to be ordinary boring people who sometimes dress up and do unusual things to one another'. homosexuals are close to managing this.

one way to make sure it doesn't is to do nothing.

we can't 'make' people accept anything, but we can ask them, persuade them. that's where campaigning can make a difference.

i sympathise with your argument, Grimly, but i'm too frightened to be defeatist. i have to hope for better because i don't want to carry on like this. plus i may have a higher opinion of the "great unwashed" than you do. the british media might be a tougher nut to crack, but (or because) there's a lot of pervs in publishing.

Grimly wrote: I don't see the point of adopting an alternative lifestyle and then moaning about the fact that the rest of society doesn't get the point. Society makes the rules dictates what's the norm and legislates accordingly. If we want to operate outside the norm, dare to be different, live out our fantasies and express our sexuality in a way others cant or don't want to understand, that's our choice. If there is a danger in doing that then that just adds to the spice. I wonder how many of us have taken a perverse pleasure out of revelling what we are into to someone we think will be shocked by it, I know I have, and I have also had the disappointment of finding out that they are not that bothered about it. I sometimes wonder whether all the media hype and titillation has numbed people to the point where most people already say “so what” I think twenty years ago when things were much more underground and dare I say risky than it is today, it was a lot more fun!!

depends on whether the attraction is the lifestyle or the fact that it is alternative?

for me it is the lifestyle, i am what i am, and yes, i enjoy finding out that people i know are into it - for the same reason that i enjoy finding commonality with anyone i meet. How many times do you enjoy discovering someone in a distant place has a connection with you, whether it is job, home town or hobbies.

this common attitude really makes me smile - wryly granted but smile none the less.

what is a community? are we all meant to be identical? i live in a community, we are all different and don't really know anyone here, doesnt mean i am not of it tho.

Communities are made up of people. people are people, whether it is the local knitting circle, political activists or BDSM. People are people - good bad and indifferent. All have mixed motives, mixed morals, mixed characteristics and mixed baggage. Do you believe everything said by everyone else who supports the same political persuasion as you?

why on earth does the idea pervade that just because someone labels themselves the same way you do that your aims and values are the same, or rather should be? Do you agree with the way everyone who lives in the same street as you lives their life? Does that stop you being a part of the same community?

i think not

Keep your brain as well as your heart open! and don't expect more from others than they be whom they are

life is so much nicer when you smile

Ah I just went back and read and no that wasnt clear thankyou for enlightening me

"If you can imagine it, You can achieve it. If you can dream it, You can become it."

While I do quite enjoy the idea of an alternative lifestyle, that is not why I am here. I enjoy pain, pure and simple, as part of my sexlife. That should not make me or my partner(s) outcasts. I don't care if the rest of society do or don't want to do the same, what I want is for those of us who want to do this to be alllowed to do so without fear of prosecution or persecution.

Who says I can't be a feminist *and* a submissive?
Love over gold, always!
corriander