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| SirOpenSource |
on Tue 8 Mar 11, 4:08 PM to the O_and_P group.
Carrying on from a thread by @ Diablos_patience where I raised the above issue I thought it may be of some interest to examine this concept of Carl Rogers and it's apparent opposite grounding to help widen peoples ideas and suggestions on Internal Enslavement.
Rogers first Proposition [of 19] states that:
1. All individuals (organisms) exist in a continually changing world of experience (phenomenal field) of which they are the centre.
As mentioned the Phenomenal field is the perceived reality of the individual and although at first it may appear to exist in IE, looking closer it must be continually changing and so if the Internally Enslaved organism [individual]reaches a point where the relationship needs no further change [or perhaps better stated is that the slave needs no further change] has the need for the phenomenal field ceased?
Maybe if the existence of the phenomenal field is a necessary process in life was Rogers wrong or will there always be growth just not visible?
SOS
Edited Tue 8 Mar 11, 4:10 PM by SirOpenSource
| 8 Mar 11, 4:42 PM Belasarius UK(M), 8 yrs       |
My bold. It's unlikely that any person's experience will ever become static until death (Maybe not then - who knows My goal - to save women from nature (Dior) Edited 8 Mar 11, 4:45 PM by Belasarius | ||
| 8 Mar 11, 5:21 PM SirOpenSource UK(E), 6 yrs   |
If said person lives a world not influence by the weather ie they live entirely indoors in a closed environment maybe they do not experience the changes in the weather? SOS The Titter group - for when you don't feel too serious. | ||
| 8 Mar 11, 5:25 PM TheFalconer UK(S), 6 yrs |
It seems to me that you're starting with an implicit assumption which is unproven (that a slave may reach a stage in a relationship where no further change or novel stimulus occurs) and then using that as the starting point to question if this challenges the applicability of the Phenomenal Field theory. I think you need to invest more effort in proving your assumption before we can have a meaningful discussion on the latter point.
Also - was I the only person who thought this was a thread about a really ace patch of land? "Morality, like art, means drawing a line someplace." - Oscar Wilde | ||
| 8 Mar 11, 5:56 PM Ian_2007 UK(N), 4 yrs |
Without knowing what you and Mr Rogers mean by "organism", "experience", "change", "phenomenon" and "growth", it's difficult to say anything meaningful. He obviously thinks he's using them in some kind of private technical sense, but you haven't included his definitions. It's pretty clear he's not using them in their vernacular sense because of the one-to-one relationship between experience and phenomena which he seems to take for granted: dreams are an example of an experience which are not caused by a phenomenon (and bedbugs an example or a phenomenon which is doesn't always lead to an experience!).
I'm guessing that he's tossing in a word like "field" to sound posh, but to a mathematician that word has a very precise meaning which can't apply in this case, and that kind of abuse of language just makes me even angrier.
But within his own cosy little universe, I'm sure he's both perfectly consistent and absolutely right.
Nope. Me too. | ||
| 8 Mar 11, 6:47 PM idonna UK(SM), 21 mths |
I watched bbc program on Sunday,that one about universe.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00zf9dh As Professor Brian Cox reminded me - everything in universe follows the second law of thermodynamics, so is changing.
That is why is impossible for anything in the Universe to stay the same Unless I am mistaken we have no choice in that matter. | ||
| 8 Mar 11, 11:27 PM Dragonfyre UK(M), 5 yrs |
plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
Probably not true, but hey, it helps me look intellectual | ||
| 9 Mar 11, 7:43 AM crystaltips UK(S), 5 yrs |
I'm really impressed by the cedilla and circumflex
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| 9 Mar 11, 6:04 PM Dragonfyre UK(M), 5 yrs |
Ah, that's because I googled it, then copied and pasted it! I was impressed when it kept all the accents as well 
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| 12 Mar 11, 12:44 AM HiGuysItsMe  UK(S), 16 mths |
Yes; but even if there were no further need for change in the slave, s/he will still undergo inevitable internal and external changes, and the environment in which s/he functions will change. Not wanting further change isn't the same as being able to stop it! But an interesting topic for discussion. There is no way to peace and happiness; Peace and happiness is the way. | ||
| 12 Mar 11, 10:51 AM SirOpenSource UK(E), 6 yrs |
Possibly but we are considering the slaves perceived reality don't forget. Which can be very different from actual reality. Of course assuming the slave is quite satisfied with her life changing the phenomenal field may possibly unbalance the relationship. SOS
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