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| 11 Feb 11, 8:23 PM DrTaps AQ, 10 yrs  |
Which just goes to show how confused the message is, as well as the lack of corroboration given for a definite and serious claim. If the three cases are being quoted for another reason, why mix them up with the other claim? The government had a case of a nasty death to hand to use to whip up their support, rightly or wrongly. Backlash are trying to get public support by quoting two cases where the defendant was found not guilty and one where the case was dismissed. Not entirely comparable. Effective press releases focus on a single message and back it up with apparently strong facts or by appealing to emotions and sympathies likely to be felt by the man or woman on the Clapham omnibus. | ||||
| 12 Feb 11, 1:02 AM emark UK, 9 yrs |
And as Fourfiveone points out, the number of references doesn't imply there are the same number of cases, just that they're giving more references.
It may well be true that the numbers are higher than predicted, though you are free to argue whether that is in itself a bad thing or not.
Sign the Consenting Adult Action Network's statement Edited 12 Feb 11, 1:04 AM by emark | ||||
| 12 Feb 11, 6:05 AM wonderer UK, 5 yrs  |
I always felt the Tories would be unlikely to repeal this. Their support base includes a huge and very conservative (i.e. illiberal) blue rinse brigade who must be appeased, and increasingly some conservative evangelical Christians who also have very narrow views of family and sexuality. And like Labour, they probably feel vulnerable to press scare stories which try to link extreme porn with crimes such as rape and child molestation. I hope I'm proved wrong, and the modern and more socially liberal tendency within the party will prevail. "Imagination is more important than knowledge" (Albert Einstein) Edited 12 Feb 11, 6:07 AM by wonderer | ||||
| 12 Feb 11, 10:31 AM Conto UK, 11 yrs |
The examples quoted are some that more clearly show the absurdity of the law as it's being used or make other specific points. And no, there aren't just these three cases, and the predicted incidence was indeed more than one case every few centuries. I don't think the three cited cases should be taken as a taster of the findings Backlash will give. Yes. of course for those who implicitly believe in this law and all its dodgy assumptions, the more prosecutions the better. Once they've seen the stuff they're well on the way to becoming rapists and sex killers, natch. We'd be wise not to aim to convert those who believe this, but they are a minority. And it is true that many cases involve other charges, as the law is being used as an add-on, or a consolation prize for when they don't think they have a good case. I've heard it said that a well-known sign of a bad law is that it is usually used badly. A higher number of prosecutions is a bad thing when taken in conjunction with separate arguments that the law is bad. Emark is right of course. How many of the cases, even when there are serious extra charges, will have identified any rapist or violent sex criminal? Or can be shown to have given support to rape or sex crime? I agree the answer is almost certain to be zero. Tracing the connection from the other direction, how many of the many sex criminals that have come to trial since Coutts have had extreme porn? Yes, it's zero or near to it. | ||||
| 12 Feb 11, 10:59 AM backlash_uk UK, 5 yrs |
Thanks for all the feedback so far. I'll try and address the points made here -
Exactly. Or as emark put it, what good is the law doing? In our opinion this is precisely the line to take. With policy makers. The media release above was for IC, Melonfarmers and the like. The message being a call to arms. "Houston, we have a problem, no freedom for us, wake up and smell the coffee, the issues are wider than you thought, the battle must continue". When dave_j asks "what you are saying then is that this may well be a bigger problem than the government originally thought?" our answer is yes, it is taking up far too much resource, to nugatory effect. To those who queried the maths - and thank you Fourfiveone for highlighting the five references aren't for the number of cases, they're for a separate point - the reason the supporting stats were withdrawn is because a national publication influential in political circles is considering running them as an exclusive. Talking of numbers, wonderer flagged Christians. When considering strategies, remember that the infamous 50k petition - calling for action against harming women, which all of us would support - was produced by organised religion. Organised religion will always likely outnumber those willing to stand up and be counted for extreme porn. DrTaps is quite correct in saying "Effective press releases focus on a single message". Backlash would be very grateful for your, and anyone else's, constructive suggestions on how best to convey the message articulated by Tanos and emark. A mesage can contain more than one point, but not too many before attention spans falter.
Edited 12 Feb 11, 11:00 AM by backlash_uk | ||||
| 13 Feb 11, 3:03 PM wonderer UK, 5 yrs |
It's true that organised religion can be a powerful lobby at times, more so in the USA than here. Worth also noting that on matters of sexuality (e.g. gay issues) there is often more than one view within Christianity, and the most vocal are not necessarily the majority.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" (Albert Einstein) | ||||
| 16 Feb 11, 9:27 PM Degenerate  UK(M), 5 yrs   |
nice one have shared this already and will share regularly for awhile De x Vote to repeal the kinky porn ban! http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/282427/ | ||||
| 18 Feb 11, 5:47 PM ThedaVamp UK, 6 yrs |
Thanks De x Vote for the repeal of the Extreme Pornography Laws | ||||
| 18 Feb 11, 6:46 PM Attitude_Adjuster UK(N), 6 yrs |
QFT.
And all men kill the thing they love, By all let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword! |
